Posted on 07/03/2009 9:11:35 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
There is no area in which Republicans have further strayed from our traditions than in foreign affairs.
Generations of conservatives followed the great advice of our Founding Fathers and pursued a restrained foreign policy that rebuffed entangling alliances and advised America, in the words of John Quincy Adams, not to "go abroad looking for dragons to slay."
Sen. Robert Taft, the stalwart of the Old Right, urged America to stay out of NATO. Dwight Eisenhower was elected on a platform promising to get us out of the conflict in Korea. Richard Nixon promised to end the war in Vietnam.
Republicans were highly critical of Bill Clinton for his adventurism in Somalia and Kosovo. As recently as 2000, George W. Bush campaigned on a "humbler" foreign policy and decried nation-building.
But our foreign policy today looks starkly different.
Neoconservatives who have come to power in both the Democratic and Republican parties argue that the U.S. must ether confront every evil in every corner of the globe or risk danger at home. We need to "fight them over there" they say, so we don't have to "fight them over here." This argument presents a false choice. We do not have to pick between interventionism and vulnerability. The complexity of our world is exactly why the lessons of our past should ring true and demand a return to a traditional, pro-American foreign policy: one of nonintervention.
Moving forward, I suggest that we as Americans adhere to these five principles:
1. We do not abdicate American sovereignty to global institutions...
2. We provide a strong national defense, but we do not police the world...
3. We obey the Constitution and follow the rule of law...
4. We do not engage in nation-building...
5. We stay out of the internal affairs of other nations...
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Your logic is flawed, I never said that 911 was an attack allowed to happen by the Bush Administration as would the weakest truther.
What I said was every time we fought them here we lost badly.
Learn the difference,
And you used 9/11 as support, as if we had "fought them here"... which must mean that you believe Desert Shield/Desert Storm were "fought here"...
...making you a "truther" about the early 90s deployment/action being coooked up in Hollywood or something. As for me, I believe that it took place in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and other assisting nations.
If you read anything about bin Laden you'd know he deliberately used Saudis on 9/11 to provoke hatred between his two greatest enemies. And you ate it up with a spoon. Sucker.
Boy, you sure have your head up your rectum.
Over here is on our shores not in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.
As a matter of fact I don’t ever think you know what the hell you are talking about.
Name for me one battle that took place inside the borders of the United States during Desert Storm or Shield?
Come on genius name one...
He is right, by the strategic standards present in the age of sail...
I agree with them in many ways, but reality has it's own demands...
For instance when we get a fence built all the way around the nation (I guess screw Alaska and Hawaii) that stops any one getting in (and still lets me go deep sea fishing) as well as stop incoming missiles 100% then I am all for Paul's ideas.
As long as everyone in the USA can spend enough to make up for our lost international sales as to keep manufacturing going (shocking, but we do sell things overseas)...
The have risked the stability of their country to help us.
You are the one claiming we fought them here, not I.
I say we didn’t do the “fight them over here” option.
Please point out where I said we fought them over here prior to 911 or apologise for being a cretin.
Your choice.....
False dichotomy.
I didn't get that from usmcobra's remark. In fact, as a standalone (without going back to reread his entire post) I'm inclined to agree with him. We (collectively; the government) treated terrorism on our territory (including embassies and vessels) as a law enforcement problem, to be dealt with on our soil and in our courts. Bad idea, as 9/11 showed us-- yes, that policy ended badly.
On the other hand, DS/DS was against a nation's army, not a band of terrorists, fought on their territory (and the territory they had invaded and annexed).
It might be a nice feeling to separate the two into different classifications, but that doesn’t mean everyone in the world is going to.
Now, usmcobra can pretend the Wahhabists don’t exist, but that’s sticking his head in the sand—which is another part of what led to 9/11. The fact is, DS/DS was fought “pver there” and was what led OBL to make 9/11 the day it became...so we cannot claim that we were fighting just here.
Where the hell do you get these insane allegations from?
First you claim that I am a truther, now you are claiming that I am pretending that Wahhabist don’t exist and say as well that I am claiming that we were just fighting here.
Apologise now or my next post will be to have your disgusting and still unproven accusations removed from this sight.
They.
Are.
Separate.
And.
Distinct.
The inability of others to see reality does not indicate an error in reality.
Frankly I think this person is trying to discredit what I say by labelling me a truther, despite the fact truthers are in league and in sync with Code Pink, International Answer, and other left wing groups I have personally demonstrated against.
Did you see Drudge today? The Saudis have said they will ignore Israeli planes that fly thru their air space to attack Iran. Incredible.
The Saudis walk a tight rope between the modern world and the barbarity of fundamental Islam
Iran with nukes pushes down a wee bit TOO much on the balancing pole...
Of course they will have internal backlash, but that is what oil money is for...
I would prefer to fight them over here rather than put up with what happens at the airport and everything associated with the Patriot Act, the Bank Secrecy Act, anything engaged in by the Dept. of Homeland Security, etc., etc.
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