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The Other Prostitution Scandal; Why was Eliot Spitzer's lifestyle illegal, anyway?
Reason Magazine ^ | March 13, 2008 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 03/18/2008 9:22:31 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

Politicians take people's money with a promise to fulfill desires that supposedly can't be attained any other way. Prostitutes do the same, though by reputation, they are more reliable in delivering. It's not surprising for people in the same line of work to gravitate toward one another, as Eliot Spitzer and a woman named Kristen reportedly did in a Washington hotel room.

I understand why Spitzer's alleged hiring of a call girl was stupid, selfish, reckless, immoral and a betrayal of his family. What I don't understand is why it was illegal.

It's not as though sex is otherwise divorced from money. If it were, hot young women would be found on the arms of poor older men as often as they are seen with rich ones. Had the New York governor wanted to buy a $4,300 bauble to seduce someone of Kristen's age and pulchritude, only his wife and his financial adviser would have objected.

It was Spitzer's effort to hide this pastime that attracted law enforcement attention. Prosecutors investigated him not because he had lipstick on his collar, but because he took steps to conceal his patronage of Emperor's Club VIP. By transferring cash to accounts controlled by fake companies, he roused suspicions of political corruption. By now, he probably wishes he had only taken a gratuity to grease a contract.

It's hard to feel excessive sympathy when a colossal hypocrite is exposed. Recently, Spitzer signed a measure increasing penalties for men caught paying for sex, who can now go to jail for as long as a year. But schadenfreude is a weak justification for laws that intrude into the bedroom.

As with laws against illicit drugs and unsanctioned gambling, this policy tries to suppress powerful human appetites and consistently fails. What one New Orleans mayor said applies to a segment of every human society: "You can make prostitution illegal in Louisiana, but you can't make it unpopular."

Alternative newspapers, telephone directories and online sites are replete with ads for massage parlors, escort services and women "eager to meet you!"—proof that when individuals yearn to find each other for mutually gratifying transactions, they are bound to find a way.

Even the prospect of arrest and public humiliation doesn't deter a lot of people on either side of the business. What should be obvious by now is that they are willing to spend far more effort achieving these encounters than the rest of us are to spend preventing them.

Outlawing this commerce serves mainly to make things worse, not better. It assures income to criminal organizations with long experience evading the law. It makes prostitutes vulnerable to abuse. It prevents measures to protect the health of providers and patrons.

It exempts an industry from the taxes and fees that legitimate businesses have to pay. It squanders police resources that could be used to fight real crime, while clogging jails and courts with offenders who will soon be back plying their trade.

Supporters of the status quo say the sex industry is filled with victims of human trafficking—foreigners forced to work in servitude. Whether such modern-day slaves amount to more than a tiny fraction of hookers, however, has never been proved.

Similar claims have been made about migrant farm laborers and domestic workers—which is not taken as grounds to ban fruit picking or home cleaning. Someone whose very job is illegal, in fact, is an ideal candidate for such exploitation, since she is unlikely to go to the cops.

But all this is secondary to the priority of human freedom. We no longer believe the government has a right to prevent homosexuals or heterosexuals from engaging in sexual practices. In 2003, the Supreme Court had the wisdom to strike down a Texas sodomy prosecution against two homosexuals caught in the act.

"The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives," asserted the court. "The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government."

Some brilliant lawyer ought to ask the courts why the state may ban one type of sex between consenting adults but not another. Maybe Eliot Spitzer would like to take it on.


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I'm not unreasonable. If somebody can explain why consenting adults exchanging sex for money is any of the Gubmint's bidness, I'm willing to listen.

Just spare me the "it's for the chilruns" or "society has decided" or "they are all victims" nonsense.

I've never done it and have no interest in doing it. This is a philosophical argument.

1 posted on 03/18/2008 9:22:31 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
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2 posted on 03/18/2008 9:23:58 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: traviskicks
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3 posted on 03/18/2008 9:25:12 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
BTW, has Spitzer actually resigned? I know he said that he would. But, has he flown the coop?
4 posted on 03/18/2008 9:25:32 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

It is a violation of justice to use other human beings as a means to an end.


5 posted on 03/18/2008 9:27:11 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
What I don't understand is why it was illegal.

Because it is against the law. One could think of hundreds (if not thousands) of activities that one doesn't understand why said activities are illegal.

The only answer is because those activities were deemed to be illegal by people charged with the authority to do so.

Just because you don't understand why something is illegal doesn't give you special dispensation to violate the law.

Spitzer couldn't understand why illegals couldn't have driver's licenses so he sought to change the law.

If he couldn't understand why prostitution was against the law he should've actively sought to change the law.

6 posted on 03/18/2008 9:43:14 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

All laws are based on morals. I know you didn’t want any “society has decided nonsense,” but it’s not nonsense, a society’s moral values are the basis of all laws. Our society considers prostitution to be a repudiation of its moral standards, so it is illegal. I don’t think I have to go into WHY a society would consider prostitution to go against its moral standards; that should be easy to suss out, given our Judeo-Christian heritage, to name one factor.


7 posted on 03/18/2008 9:52:20 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

He’s done. Paterson was sworn in on Monday. The guy admitted that he had an affair with Helen Thomas and Rosie O’Donnell.

He must be blind or something.


8 posted on 03/18/2008 9:56:24 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: wideawake
It is a violation of justice to use other human beings as a means to an end.

OK. Than we should all be in jail. Every citizen. But who would guard us if we were all incarcerated?

9 posted on 03/18/2008 9:58:24 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Because it is against the law.

The "law" is always right? The same law that allows the slaughter of unborn children? You have way too much respect for authority. This is not what the founding fathers had in mind. Otherwise they would have banned the plentiful brothels in Concord and Boston.

10 posted on 03/18/2008 10:04:02 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
OK. Than we should all be in jail.

Your conclusion does not follow from my major premise - which is likely why you neglected to supply a minor one. So much for your vaunted philosophical discussion.

11 posted on 03/19/2008 5:38:32 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Spitzer (allegedly) arranged for, a sex worker to cross
state lines.

Immoral or not,
Such an act is illegal.


12 posted on 03/19/2008 12:46:54 PM PDT by patch789
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To: Eric Blair 2084; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...




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13 posted on 03/19/2008 5:22:06 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: wideawake; Eric Blair 2084
>Your conclusion does not follow from my major premise - which is likely why you neglected to supply a minor one. So much for your vaunted philosophical discussion.

Hope you don't mind me doing the honors (albeit semi-rigorously)...

It is a violation of justice to use other human beings as a means to an end.

All citizens use other human beings as a means to an end.

Therefore, all citizens are violators of justice.
Now, of course, you can dispute an argument that violators of justice should be in jail...
14 posted on 03/19/2008 5:51:51 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Texas Eagle
If he couldn't understand why prostitution was against the law he should've actively sought to change the law.

Spitzer supported the prosecution of customers of prostitutes. Perhaps, in his search for public redemption, he will request that the authorities prosecute him.

15 posted on 03/19/2008 5:52:24 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“If somebody can explain why consenting adults exchanging sex for money is any of the Gubmint’s bidness, I’m willing to listen.”

The all mighty $.

If its legal the government can’t make money off busting the people who do it. I am sure its a big business making people pay fines.


16 posted on 03/19/2008 5:52:39 PM PDT by RatsDawg (Must stop McClinton!)
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To: patch789
It doesn't have to be a sex worker. Taking your girlfriend across state lines can get you charged, too.

See Caminetti v. United States, 242 U.S. 470 (1917).

Disclaimer...I am not a lawyer and this ain't legal advice.

17 posted on 03/19/2008 5:54:29 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: secretagent
Perhaps, in his search for public redemption, he will request that the authorities prosecute him.

That is exactly what it would take to show he is truly a man of honor.

18 posted on 03/19/2008 5:56:44 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: wideawake
It is a violation of justice to use other human beings as a means to an end.

Is it a violation of justice to date a woman, not for love, but with the expectation of sexual favors in exchange for expensive dinners and gifts? If so, is it the kind of injustice that merits legislation criminalizing it?

Also, is it an injustice rising to a level meriting criminalization, to severely berate someone in a search for a feeling of superiority?

19 posted on 03/19/2008 6:09:31 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Eric Blair 2084
It is a vast oversimplification for most people against drug use, prostitution, etc, but some folks are of the mind that everything that is immoral (generally according to tradition, and/or a religious standard) should be illegal.

My impression is that most people against these activities are against them because of the activities they are in turn associated with - for example, the idea that prostitution carries with it related baggage which is injurious to innocent, passive parties.

I have two mutually compatible takes on the issue. First is federalism - the federal government should play no role. The current model where the legality of prostitution is decided at the state-level is a good model. For one, it is "self-correcting". If one state implements a policy bearing overwhelmingly poor consequences, then the flight of people and capital will force the law to be changed even if the voters do not. Second, it is constitutional (unless one subscribes to one of those liberal interpretations of the commerce clause and the "necessary and proper" clause (but I mean, with such an interpretation, we could junk the constitution and the entire legal system, and just use the "necessary and proper" rule of thumb for every question).

My second angle regards the local (state level or lower) situation. Stating purely how I would vote (using my ballot, my dollars, and my feet) for where I live, I would prefer if the associated social behaviors influencing innocent bystanders were the focus of the legal system. I recognize that 'A' (immoral, but not harmful to me or other third parties) may in fact lead to 'B' (harmful to me or other third parties), but am adamant that a moral law is one which focuses on 'B'. For example, fighting B indirectly by fighting A means implementing gun control to fight murder, bank robbery, etc.

I sort of depart from many libertarians on the following point. I support LOCAL laws (below the state level) criminalizing "nuisance" behavior in public where 'harm' even if slight, can be measured. That would include prostitute solicitation anywhere on public property, shooting up heroin in public, doing coke, smoking MJ (or even smoking Tobacco or drinking alcohol if that is what is supported), public lewdness (by local standards), etc. If someone wants to partake in any of these activities in private (including private establishments like restaurants), I'm fine with that. Sex clubs, whore houses, whatever - just keep the dirt locked inside.

Now, don't mistake my rationale. I do not think that the government can change human nature. What varying LOCAL laws can do, however, is induce behavioral segregation. Same goes for tax laws. Drug users with drug users (once a critical mass have congregated). You catch my drift? That is the beauty of distributing rather than concentrating government power - society will ALWAYS produce garbage, and this is a way of providing for landfills. Truly toxic waste in some dumps, more mild stuff in others, and a of course smattering of biodegradable litter everywhere.

Left-wingers of course hate this model, because they desire "equality" across all length-scales. Some likely realize that federalism and more local extensions of it will leave them and their policies with drugs, bums, $30 hookers, gangs, criminals, welfare queens, and other parasites. Meanwhile, employment will go someplace where the greenhouse gas footprint of every fart does not need to be offset, where taxes are not 45% overall to pay for "progressive" social programs, where murderers and rapists are not coddled and forgiven, and so on.

20 posted on 03/19/2008 6:22:33 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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