Posted on 12/03/2007 11:37:07 AM PST by BGHater
Don't bother giving me the Constitution argument on this.
Ok, we'll just ignore Posse Comitatus violations and "other provisions" that were inside the Goode Amendment HR 4200. I still don't agree with Paul's stance on border issues. And it's a fair and compelling argument against Paul's candidacy. Paul has a well thought out and long consistent record against using any combat troops on US soil, he is also consistently against workplace SS number identification schemes on the basis that the US is a right to work country. Up until 9/11 most conservatives were opposed to national ID cards, on various grounds, and I am still against national ID cards. The Bush administration has abandoned the REAL ID Act by almost indefintely delaying it's implementation due to resistance from State level governments. So the prior position of the conservative movement regarding Posse Comitatus and national ID cards hasn't been abandoned, you can successfully argue it is an outmoded stance, but the stance goes back to at least the time period of the introduction of the Social Security Administration.
Solders make lousy cops. Border Patrol Agents are cops.
Unthinking slavish worship of anyone, especially of a politican, is silly and sickening. Please stop it. You are seriously empbarassing yourself.
How can I trust a thing a guy says that has bought into the idea that since the year 2000, illegal alien immigrants have only increased by a little over 2 million? This being the case, how can he state that the problem has exploded in the last ten years? What basis would there be to support that comment? It was generally accepted that we had ten million illegal alien immigrants in country in the year 2000.
Paul then procedes to tell us how much illegal immigrants are costing us. Well, I agree, they are costing a lot, but the costs of around 30 million are a lot more than the costs of about 12 million. Why is he deflating the incidence of illegal alien immigration?
The subsidy issue is significantly impacted by the number of illegals who are here. So is the overcrowding at U.S. schools. So are a number of negative aspects of this overcrowding and how those side issues impact the education of our youth in general.
Paul then dips into the murkey waters of illegal alien immigration and border control, to reveal that our war in Iraq is the problem. If only we had all those troops on our border, ‘where they belong’, all would be just peachy in this old world.
Ron, you do yourself a disservice. You touch on important issues that need to be touched on, but you nulify your credibility by tying your views on other topics to them. And then your comments fall like a house of cards. You’re your own worst enemy.
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too bad you are wrong. nothing has been sudden about his desire to close the borders.
2006
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=892
2005
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=439
1998
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=61
Yeah, but wouldn’t it be wonderful what he could do with the executive power of the presidency. Some things that he has been advocating for years could be done with the stroke of a pen.
Then you have the bully pulpit. A Ron Paul win would have the congressional critters p**ping in their pants. Unbalanced budgets would have to passed over a veto. Tax raises would have to be passed over a veto. Congressional raises would have to be passed over a veto. In fact, most things would have to be passed over a veto.
Just stagnating congress would have a huge beneficial effect on our economy. Come the mid term elections, the Ron Paul Brigades will have many candidates against the congressional critters opposed to his agenda.
We are in for a wild ride.
Prawned Paul is his own worse enemy. Just when you find yourself agreeing with him, he starts spewing enemy propaganda again.
Keywords for "bullshit next to come".
gimme gimme gridlock baby!
Cites, please. How is it that protecting our own borders is so much LESS important than protecting the borders of another nation, ANY OTHER nation???? Why is it that the best CBP agents are in another country instead of doing their job on OUR borders???
Am I the only one who finds the Bush fanboys busting on Paul on this issue hilariously ironic?
No, for some reason you guys have decided he's going to be Moonbat-in-Chief.
AuntB you keep raising this point but it does really say anything about Paul one way or the other. For all you know the pieces of legislation he's introduced have all been wonderful and would have left our country more prosperous and more safe than it is today.
Not having legislation only means that, it didn't pass. Why didn't it pass? Because for whatever reason the other congresscritters didn't see that it passed. Maybe the bills would have limited their power or perks in some way.
. . . and he never offered much in the way of immigration.
You still admit that he's offered something. Not offering much does not equal not offering anything at all.
Don't hold your breath. The "not passing any legislation" argument will continue to be used.
Works for me! (As a positive, that is.) George Will once remarked that the first amendment begins with the most beautiful phrase in the English language: “The Congress shall make no law...”
Agreed. However, Paul has never been able to get a piece of legislation through congress, has NO congressional support (except Kucinich) and ending welfare is up to Congress.
Maybe you haven't got to this post in the thread yet, but you're wrong.
Look! It only took two posts! ;^)
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