Posted on 11/08/2007 8:34:00 AM PST by Captain Kirk
We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say, "Why does this happen?" It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.
Once that protection is gone, we are vulnerable because we are a free society.
(Excerpt) Read more at patrobertson.com ...
No, and neither did Robertson. Why do you put words in the mouths of other people? Robertson clearly said that evil people killed innocent victims on 911. I believe him to be correct. Robertson also contends that God withdrew his protection from this land allowing this atrocity to occur. I believe that this is clearly possible.
Why don't you answer at least my first two questions so that everyone will see where YOU stand on the issue of divine providence.
Personally I believe Pat was on to something when he made the statement about God might be looking away from America.
Certainly while the al Queida was planning the attack on the Twin Towers Bill Clinton was not under the Oval Office Desk praying with Monica Lewinsky asking God for mercy on this wicked San Fransicko culture.
As for Ron Paul and the Paulistinians running their infatada against the Republican Party, in my book, is not supportable by sane, intelligent thinking citizens.
Why would I want to support anyone who's views of the American government and foreign policy more closely match those of Kook Fringe Nut Case Rosie O’Donnell.
As a red state wannabe, Hunter Thompson is my choice for candidates and they are the ones getting my donations.
Why did you excerpt all but a couple lines from Pat’s article? He had a lot more to say.
Well considering they both pretty much blames the ways of America and not the actual terrorists for the attacks, I think my question is quite logical.
Having read the article, and not being evangelical, born-again, a VV or SC, and probably being a complete heathen who nonetheless has been occasionally curious about Robertson, here’s my read/interpretation of his message:
Any nation that cultivates self-hatred, self-deception, and disrespect for it’s own founding traditions, is a nation on the road to suicide. It can expect visits from Evil with increasing frequency, if only to hasten its self-destruction.
Even the VVs and SCs don’t seem to appreciate the actual source of Western Christian civilization, which is Jerusalem.
I think Billy Graham's wife once said that if God did not punish America, He should apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
You diminish the vile, despicable Phelps by equating him to Robertson, just because you disagree with him. Is that really your intent?
Yes, Robertson and his followers have never protested at the funeral of a soldier.
I don’t think God will be apologizing to anyone, for His punishment fell on Christ at the cross, resulting in the ability to forgive and justify those who repent.
That's a cute line, but I believe that God deals with individuals and not with groups anymore. Groups punish themselves, as do countries. Something about we get the kind of government we deserve. That's pretty close. If our nation is cut asunder after all said and done, I'll re-consider the value of Mrs. Graham's admonition.
I wasnt talking about physical actions. I know Robertson never did that and never would. But to blame Americans and their actions for the terrorist attacks is irresponsible at the very least. It’s like some loons saying the California wildfires were Gods doing because California is such a freak of a state when the fires were set by a dingbat playing with matches.
Actually, I find the Biblical view, and Robertson & Mrs. Graham, rather persuasive. Looking around, I see many instances of innocent people suffering from the disastrous effects of other people’s sins (abortion would be just one example). The country is in big trouble on many fronts, despite the fact that many of its people are pretty righteous (like most here on FR). FR polls show that most of us favor Hunter or Thompson, but we are likely to be stuck with a RINO anyway. Many people try to tinker with politics to solve national ills, but it doesn’t seem to work, because our culture has become so corrupt, spoiled, lazy, and materialistic. Too many people are happy being on the take from government, enjoying cheap goods from China, etc. Our heroic military is sacrificing for the common good, but too many Americans at home are wallowing in junk like reality TV, trash like rap music, and immorality of various kinds. If your take the Bible seriously at all, God is not pleased with America, and we will all suffer as a result.
IMHO, God has not abandoned America, but many in America has abandoned Him. And because of that, natural/supernatural (whatever you want to call it) consequences have occurred.
To clarify: are you saying that "America is to blame for 911"?
I’m not really sure what Robertson’s motivations are, but sometimes he just isn’t dealing with a full deck.
America is its people, not the government. All we can do is vote the suckers out of office. Unless we're supposed to shoot 'em out of office, but I doubt that. We have fulfilled our duty when we vote and express our opposition to what our congress is doing wrong. What more can anyone expect?
If crooks, thieves and bullies take over our government by stealth, how can the people be responsible for that? Except for the enablers, of course. And what justice is there to punish the innocent for something they didn't cause, nor have power to correct?
Yes, back in pre-Christian days it was groups as well as individuals that were punished for what some or most of them did wrong, even tho the innocent were part of the group.
As I said, I don't believe that's the way it's done anymore. If God were to punish the nation for allowing the killing of millions of babies a year, He would have done it long ago, at least to prevent the continuance of pain and terror in the bodies and minds of the unborn.
In group punishment, it's too easy to hide behind someone else or blame the other and act like a martyr. In a face to face day of reckoning with God, there is no place to hide. No one else around to blame.
Which is more just?
Our degradation of responsibilites, our degradation of disciplines, our degradation of morals, and degradation of civility towards one another have left us ripe for attacks by the fanatics. Abandoning God has lead us to the degradatation of our society, which resulted in putting our guard down, because we were too consumed about ourselves. I'm not saying this is justification for our being attacked, but it sure seems like evil looked for an opening and it found it.
You get no arguments from me on this point. He should (or could at best) simply say that it's possible, or even likely...but he can't say definitively because he can't speak for God.
In case he hasn't studied the matter, the 'evil' people in this country comprise but a small percentage of the population. If one of his kids commits murder, is he going to kill his whole family?
The entire nation accepts abominations such as abortion as the law of the land. It's not irrational to consider God's protective hand being lifted from the whole nation as a possibility. Ultimately, we will all stand before God and be judged individually...so there will be justice, ultimate justice.
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