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To: traviskicks

There’s more to being Conservative than advocating limited government. Ron Paul’s take on borders, foreign affairs, personal freedom, and the use of power place him in the Libertarian camp


7 posted on 05/18/2007 8:32:25 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
There’s more to being Conservative than advocating limited government. Ron Paul’s take on borders, foreign affairs, personal freedom, and the use of power place him in the Libertarian camp

So, you think that it's conservative to be against personal freedom?!

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." --Ronald Reagan

19 posted on 05/18/2007 8:50:54 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: gcruse

Neocons = Woodrow Wilson Democrats.


31 posted on 05/18/2007 8:57:07 AM PDT by jd777
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To: gcruse

Ron Paul is very different fromt he LP onthe issue of borders/immigration. In fact, he is the only candidate besides Tancredo to stand firmaly against amnesty.


38 posted on 05/18/2007 9:04:58 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: gcruse

Have you even bothered to look at his stance on immigration and the border? And you do know he is pro-life, right? Look, I don’t agree with all his views in regards to the war on islamafascists, but otherwise, he is very conservative in most areas.

from his website:
Border Security and Immigration Reform

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.


89 posted on 05/18/2007 10:12:49 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: gcruse
There’s more to being Conservative than advocating limited government.

True...but one cannot be Conservative without it.

167 posted on 05/21/2007 6:00:52 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: gcruse

I love it when people call Ron Paul a “libertarian”. It means he believes in liberty.

“with LIBERTY and justice for all”

If you’ve ever said the pledge of allegiance, then you my friend, are a libertarian too!


172 posted on 06/04/2007 8:00:51 AM PDT by The Oak
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