It's OK If Ron Paul Is Right

TSC Daily ^ | 5/18/07 | Gregory Scoblete

[ForOurFuture]

There are free non-Muslims in Peru, Norway, South Africa, Mongolia, and Australia. Why don’t Muslims fly planes into buildings and pursue jihad against these nations?

[Silverbug]

Paul definately broke a taboo in America. I can’t remember the last time a politician suggested all foreigners might not be completely happy with US foreign policy over the past 50 years...It took courage, and it’s a shame he is being smeared for pointing out the obvious.

[Lurker]

What about the Marines that were killed in the early 1980s in Beirut? Were we in Saudi back then?

Actually we, and I do mean we, were in Lebanon. That's why they attacked us in Lebanon you frigging twit.

L

[agere_contra]

There are non-Muslims in Peru, Norway, South Africa, Mongolia, and Australia. Why don't Muslims fly planes into buildings and pursue jihad against these nations?

There were plenty of women in London who Jack the Ripper didn't knife. So obviously the girls he did stab must have done something to deserve it. It's all so clear now.

[finnman69]

Ron Paul got ZERO percent in the latest Gallup poll.

The better news is someone will challenge his seat in 2008.

[Lurker]

Which means giving up any and all support of Israel.

We have troops in Israel? Who knew?

L

[montag813]

In a now famous November 6, 2003 address, President Bush explicitly linked U.S. policy with the rise of Islamic terrorism: "Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe

This is where Bush's naivete got him into trouble. The idea that every nation in the world needs democracy is fatally flawed. Democracy is fundamentally incompatible with Islam.

[gcruse]

” So, you think that it’s conservative to be against personal freedom?!’

You can’t be serious. Social conservatism is founded on telling other people how to live.

[tonysamm]

The fanaticism illustrated by 9/11 didn’t begin when Bush #1 attacked Saddam’s forces in Kuwait or our military was stationed in Saudi Arabia. There's a litany of attacks perpetrated on the U.S. going back to the 80's that had no basis for retaliation. Of course, in the fanatics minds, we sure did something. How about exist, like the Israeli's?’s.

Paul is a blame America candidate and he’ll never win election. He’ll only get praise from the democRATS for being a RINO.

[jrooney]

Great news and I agree. Thanks.

[jd777]

Neocons = Woodrow Wilson Democrats.

[presidio9]

Conservativism and Libertarianism are diametrically opposed. This article doesn’t belong on this website. Neither do you.

[Steel Wolf]

It would be OK if Ron Paul were right, but he's not. UBL's stated reasons for declaring war on the U.S. are good PR in the Arab world, nothing more. He's selling an ugly Salafist product, wrapped in sexy packaging of Resistance to Foreign Aggression!

Bin Laden was not then, is not now, nor will he in the future, open to being placated by a U.S. withdrawl from the Middle East, troops, aid, and politically speaking. No apology will appease him. No action or inaction will prove our contrition to him.

Ron Paul isn't wrong, as far as remembering how the transcript of Bin Laden's fatwa reads. Paul is wrong because he's taking UBL at face value.

He's wrong because he believes him.

[Equality 7-2521]

Excellent answer, L. It’s hard to attack us in countries we aren’t in.

[ForOurFuture]

There were plenty of women in London who Jack the Ripper didn't knife. So obviously the girls he did stab must have done something to deserve it. It's all so clear now.

Your wit is overwhelming. Please cover it with a sheet so others are not blinded.

Jack the Ripper killed whores. Other women were left alone.

Muslims war against nations that incessantly stick their nose into Middle Eastern affairs. Other nations are left alone.

[ketsu]

You're conflating terrorist groups.

AQ is a sunni organization that was founded during the insurgency against the russians in Afghanistan. Their primary goals are the conquest of Saudi Arabia and the middle east. AQ's goals, members and motivations differ from all of the other terror groups and attacks you mention.

The WTC itself was considered an insult to Islam in general. A little known fact about the WTC is that the Japanese architect who designed it used many islamic elements in its construction. You can read more about what I'm talking about here:

http://www.slate.com/?id=2060207

The Beirut attacks and possibly the first WTC attack were based on American support for Israel and the American occupation of Lebanon along with the Israelis. The Iranian came from the US's support for the shah(note that the shi'ites would love nothing more than to slaughter sunni AQ and vice versa).

So Ron Paul has a point. American intervention in the middle east *does* inflame terrorism in the middle east.

However please don't take this argument as my position against US intervention. The US *should* intervene in the middle east, but US intervention has to be tempered with realism(US policy makers should not be surprised when groups rebel against American intervention) and stoicism(you are going to take causalities, this should be expected, this whole "we will be welcomed as liberators" BS needs to be replaced with a fundamental understanding that we have have a job to do, and should do it right).

[traviskicks]

lol, see post 19, you appear to have some misconceptions about libertarianism...

[oblomov]

Ron Paul is very different fromt he LP onthe issue of borders/immigration. In fact, he is the only candidate besides Tancredo to stand firmaly against amnesty.

[agere_contra]

There are free non-Muslims in Peru, Norway, South Africa, Mongolia, and Australia. Why don’t Muslims fly planes into buildings and pursue jihad against these nations?

Both Norway and Australia have had problems with rapes specifically directed at non-Muslim women from Muslim immigrants. It's all jihad, it's the same violent hatred directed against non-muslims that knocked down the WTC.

This malevolent and irrational enmity is percolated through innumerable madrassas and mosques and promulgated by hate-filled Imams: false prophets but true students of the Quran.

I agree that America is more in the firing line than Peru: but then so is France, which has bent over backwards to accomodate Islam since Napoleon's day. That didn't stop the terrorists from bombing one of their Oil tankers. The money quote from the terrorists on that occasion was, IIRC "We would have preferred to attack an American ship, but no problem, they are all infidels"

[Steel Wolf]

Which means giving up any and all support of Israel.

We have troops in Israel? Who knew?

Just FYI, but "support", insofar as military aid, runs in the billions of dollars a year. Isreal has huge amounts of American weapons, including Apache attack helicopters and F16s with precision munitions.

That may possibly qualify as "support".