It's OK If Ron Paul Is Right

TSC Daily ^ | 5/18/07 | Gregory Scoblete

[presidio9]

So what you’re saying is that your brand of “conservatism” is anti personal freedom and anti Constitution? You are one sick puppy, me boyo. One sick puppy. But it IS good to know where you stand on the subject. Freedom isn’t conservative. The Constitution which set up this nation isn’t conservative. Who’da thunk it?

How did you get all that from the one sentence I posted. Perhaps you're the one with "issues."

[presidio9]

Hey, OrthodoxPresbyterian, looks like someone needs to go to school.

If you have a point of contention with something I posted, why don't you just address it yourself, instead of pinging other people for help?

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Append keyword "loser"	MNJohnnie	05/19/2007 3:02:43 PM CDT
Append keyword "binladensbitch"	MNJohnnie	05/19/2007 11:59:49 AM CDT
Append keyword "nut"	B. Chezwick	05/19/2007 2:34:37 AM CDT
Append keyword "ronpaul"	traviskicks	05/18/2007 1:17:45 PM CDT
Append keyword "godblessronpaul"	traviskicks	05/18/2007 1:17:44 PM CDT
Append keyword "paulbearers"	AmishDude	05/18/2007 12:12:22 PM CDT
Append keyword "liberaltarians"	presidio9	05/18/2007 11:19:11 AM CDT
Append keyword "nutjob"	finnman69	05/18/2007 10:51:42 AM CDT

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[sauropod]

Actually they were Hezbollah, an Iranian proxy supported by the Syrian government.

They were from the Amal movement, pre-Hezbollah.

You're the one making the argument that the Iranians would have attacked Camp LeJeune, not me.

I have never stated such, you idiot!

I asked about whether or not we had troops in Saudi at the time of the 1983 barracks bombing. Instead of answering directly, you set up strawman after strawman hoping I would take the bait.

I'll ask again. If we were in Lebanon and it was a Lebanese that blew up the barracks, if there was so much resentment for us being there, then why did the Lebanese need to be told by Tehran to do the act? Why did Tehran need to tell them to blow up Americans if there was "so much" resentment toward us then?

I asked you specifically for a document or newsstory that showed the resentment you maintain existed by the Lebanese for us being in Beirut at the time of the Barracks attack.

You either could not find same or didn't bother to look for same. I'm surprised you, with your vaunted superior intellect, could not have done so.

You insist by your words that there need be no ulterior motive on the part of Iran to cause this kind of crap to happen. I'm calling Bullshit on you for this, you ignorant twit.

Duh!

[dcwusmc]

Well, if your brand of "conservativism" is diametrically opposed to (l)ibertarianism and (l)ibertarianism is about personal liberty and the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land, it's obvious, isn't it? You are anti-freedom and anti-Constitution. Simple. And the words just flowed right out of your fingertips, didn't they? "Conservativism and Libertarianism are diametrically opposed. This article doesn’t belong on this website. Neither do you." Who'da thunk it???

So if it's not personal freedom and the Constitution you're wanting to conserve, WHAT IS IT you want conserved? The new, modern socialist or fascist state? A different brand of authoritarianism? What?

[dcwusmc]

Very well said, thanks for saying it here...

[Oberon]

There’s more to being Conservative than advocating limited government.

True...but one cannot be Conservative without it.

[Rodney King]

What you cannot seriously argue is that the world is a "consequence free" zone in which U.S. actions can never catalyze harmful reactions.

Of course, that is what many FReepers believe. Or, their are some who understand this, but think that if you mention it you are a traitor.

[af_vet_rr]

They come to attack us because we are free to choose to stand in their way of their murderous ideologys goals.

That's what Paul should have said.

I said in another thread, they attacked us for two reasons:

1) Because we were there (in the Middle East), and represent a Christian society and help protect a Jewish society (although in a way they need us there, otherwise they have nobody to rail against).

2)More importantly, we prop up Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. As long as Americans were in the Gulf, the extremists could not overthrow Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Those two countries represented their best hopes in taking over large countries.

Afghanistan - for them it was nothing other than the opium fields. Saudi Arabia had a lot of wealth. Pakistan had nukes. Our being there in a large presence since 1990/1991 meant that those two countries were relatively safe (Saudi Arabia moreso).

I think the biggest thing that led to 9/11, besides our blocking them from taking over those countries, is that Clinton ignored them. After the first WTC attack, as well as some of the other major attacks, had Clinton sent our folks in to wipe out the leadership, I think in 2007 people would be going "Osama been who?", and we'd still have the towers.

[t_skoz]

what a really great article. BTTT!

[The_Eaglet]

I see conservativism and libertarianism as overlapping categories. They are not identical. I find Paul appealing for his conservative positions and those positions that are both conservative and libertarian, such as limited government (especially on the federal level), no federal income taxation, and deferring to the reserved powers of the states and the people (USC Amendment X, etc...).

[The Oak]

I love it when people call Ron Paul a “libertarian”. It means he believes in liberty.

“with LIBERTY and justice for all”

If you’ve ever said the pledge of allegiance, then you my friend, are a libertarian too!

[1776blues]

Seems to me you are limiting your response to the situation in Iraq, if you are then you are wrong. Ron Paul said what he said, but it was in reference to our Foriegn Policy in the Mideast for the past several decades.

Apparently you have chose to ignore this detail and historical fact. But keep trying to justify this illegal war with nonsense and twisting of words.

[bmwcyle]

Ron Paul and the most of the GOP are not conservatives.

[Oberon]

It's simply incorrect to state that Islamic hate must have been due to something America did.

It's also simply incorrect to state that our foreign policy has nothing to do with how high up we are on their priority list of enemies.

That's not saying we deserve their enmity...it's saying that when we oppose evil, we should expect evil to push back. 9/11 was evil pushing back. No earth-shattering revelation there.