[Clavain]

there is a similar group in my home town of salt lake city utah. every year they get more and more extreme anti-smoking laws passed. this year they are pushing to have it banned in bars. I know of no way to stop them or of anyone who has.

[Ros42]

Our city council just banned smoking in bars (no restaurants attached) in my small town. The bar owners are up in arms over it. One suggestion was, that the bar go "private". Don't know if they'll allow that though.

[RandallFlagg]

Ping.

[RandallFlagg]

Check with FReepers in Pueblo, Colorado.

[SheLion]

The are going to do what they want to do no matter how many fight against the smoking ban. Take Maine for instance...................please..........

[kizzdogg]

They banned smoking in all indoor facilities and raised the age from 18 to 19 in Suffolk County in New York. I don't see a stop to these bans anywhere.

[CSM]

I just found your thread on a forum I never frequent. You should enlist the help of the puff ping list.

Shelion, Any words of wisdom for this Freeper?

[Just another Joe]

Troll, if you need any supporting documentation I think the SheLion, Gabz, or myself might be able to help you.

I'm on the outskirts of KC so might be able to make a trip to talk to the City Council if they ever have a meeting on it.

[mojojockey]

Geoff Metcalf at Geoffmetcalf.com recently convered this topic on his show.

[cgbg]

The one thing you can do today is write a letter to each of them putting them on notice that you are opposed to such a ban, that you will vote against them if they support it, and you will do everything you can to mobilize others to do the same.

Now if you can find ten more people to do that with you then you really have their attention.

There have been some great threads here (search terms: smoking, ban, cigarette, cigarettes, etc.) that have a lot of ideas.

My state (CT) is already a lost cause--and I boycott all bars as a result.

As a cigar smoker I feel my liberties have been violated by self-righteous politicians spouting pseudo-science about second hand smoke.

I will support none of them, regardless of party.

It seems like every group in the country has "reasonable accomodation" for their slightest whims except for white guys who want to smoke.

In our state, btw, there are many bars and restaurants in the rural areas that openly violate the law because they know the local cops need a place to smoke with their friends. :-)

[tahiti]

U.S. Supreme Court HAFER v. MELO, 502 U.S. 21 (1991),

ruled that 42 U.S.C. 1983, which states

"Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State . . . subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured. . . ." is constitutional because,

"We hold that state officials, sued in their individual capacities, are "persons" within the meaning of (42 U.S.C.) 1983. The Eleventh Amendment does not bar such suits, nor are state officers absolutely immune from personal liability under (42 U.S.C.) 1983 solely by virtue of the "official" nature of their acts."

I will be addressing the St. Louis County Council on April 12th during the 2-4pm session concerning the anti-smoking ban proposal introduced by Republican Councilman Kurt Odenwald.

I will be opening my remarks with the above citation and then presenting the constitutional case that protects the right of a private property owner to allow anyone to consume a legal product on their property.

Then I will ask every council member if they wish to risk their personal finances, the equity in their homes, their savings, their children's college fund, their retirement funds, and garnishment of their future wages to pay for the "damages" they have caused passing an unconstitutional ordinance.

Just the "damages" this ordinance will cause to Harrah's Casino alone will bankrupt all of the council members.

The constitutional case emanates from both the Missouri Constitution, Article I, Section 2, 4, and 26 and the federal Constitution, Amendment V, IX, and XIV.

This is going to be so much fun.

[ConPunk]

In my State, North Dakota, the Republicans are all for smoking bans. In my local district I am the only member of the District Committee against that type of government involvement. I am a non-smoke and the College Republican Chairman, the next youngest at the district table is 50, I am 22.