Thomas A. Droleskey on the Lies of Protestantism

Protestantism is founded on many lies: (1) That Our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did not create a visible, hierarchical Church. (2) That there is no authority given by Our Lord to the Pope and his bishops and priests to govern and to sanctify the faithful. (3) That each believer has an immediate and personal relationship with the Savior as soon as he makes a profession of faith on his lips and in his heart, therefore being perpetually justified before God. (4) Having been justified by faith alone, a believer has no need of an intermediary from a non-existent hierarchical priesthood to forgive him his sins. He is forgiven by God immediately when he asks forgiveness. (5) This state of justification is not earned by good works. While good works are laudable, especially to help unbelievers convert, they do not impute unto salvation. Salvation is the result of the profession of faith that justifies the sinner. (6) That grace is merely, in the words of Martin Luther, the snowflakes that cover up the "dungheap" that is man. (7) That there is only one source of Divine Revelation, Sacred Scripture. (8) That each individual is his own interpreter of Sacred Scripture. (9) That there is a strict separation of Church and State. Princes, to draw from Luther himself, may be Christians but it is not as a Christian that they ought to rule. These lies have permutated in thousands of different directions. However, they have sewn the fabric of the modern state and popular culture for nearly 500 years (I shudder to think how the Vatican is going to commemorate the 500th anniversary of Luther's posting his 95 theses on the church doors in Wittenberg fourteen years from now).

Here below are explanations of these lies and their multifaceted implications for the world in which we live:

(1-2) The contention that Our Lord did not create a visible, hierarchical church vitiates the need for a hierarchical, sacerdotal priesthood for the administration of the sacraments. It is a rejection of the entirety of the history of Christianity prior to the Sixteenth Century. It is a denial of the lesson taught us by Our Lord by means of His submission to His own creatures, Saint Joseph and the Blessed Mother, in the Holy Family of Nazareth that each of us is to live our entire lives under authority, starting with the authority of the Vicar of Christ and those bishops who are in full communion with him. The rejection of the visible, hierarchical church is founded on the prideful belief that we are able to govern ourselves without being directed by anyone else on earth. This contention would lead in due course to the rejection of any and all religious belief as necessary for individuals and for societies. Luther and Calvin paved the way for Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the French Revolution that followed so closely the latter's deification of man.

(3-6) Baptism is merely symbolic of the Christian's desire to be associated with the Savior in the amorphous body known as the Church. What is determinative of the believer's relationship with Christ is his profession of faith. As the believer remains a reprobate sinner, all he can do is to seek forgiveness by confessing his sins privately to God. This gives the Protestant of the Lutheran strain the presumptuous sense that there is almost nothing he can do to lose his salvation once he has made his profession of faith in the Lord Jesus. There is thus no belief that a person can scale the heights of personal sanctity by means of sanctifying grace. It is impossible, as Luther projected from his own unwillingness to cooperate with sanctifying grace to overcome his battles with lust, for the believer to be anything other than a dungheap. Thus a Protestant can sin freely without for once considering that he has killed the life of sanctifying grace in his soul, thereby darkening his intellect and weakening the will and inclining himself all the more to sin-and all the more a vessel of disorder and injustice in the larger life of society.

(7-8) The rejection of a visible, hierarchical Church and the rejection of Apostolic Tradition as a source of Divine Revelation protected by that Church leads in both instances to theological relativism. Without an authoritative guide to interpret Divine Revelation, including Sacred Scripture, individual believers can come to mutually contradictory conclusions about the meaning of passages, the precise thing that has given rise to literally thousands of Protestant sects. And if a believer can reduce the Bible, which he believes is the sole source of Divine Revelation, to the level of individual interpretation, then there is nothing to prevent anyone from doing the same with all written documents, including the documents of a nation's founding. If the plain words of Scripture can be deconstructed of their meaning, it is easy to do so, say, with the words of a governmental constitution. Theological relativism paved the way for moral relativism. Moral relativism paved the way for the triumph of positivism and deconstructionism as normative in the realm of theology and that of law and popular culture.

(9) The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ as it was exercised by His true Church in the Middle Ages by the Protestant concept of the separation of Church and State is what gave rise to royal absolutism in Europe in the immediate aftermath of Luther's handiwork. Indeed, as I have noted any number of times before, it is arguably the case that the conditions that bred resentment on the part of colonists in English America prior to 1776 might never have developed if England had remained a Catholic nation. The monarchy would have been subject in the Eighteenth Century to same constraints as it had in the Tenth or Eleventh Centuries, namely, that kings and queens would have continued to understand that the Church reserved unto herself the right to interpose herself in the event that rulers had done things-or proposed to do things-that were contrary to the binding precepts of the Divine positive law and the natural law and/or were injurious of the cause of the sanctification and salvation of the souls of their subjects. The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ deposited power first of all in the hands of monarchs eager to be rid of the "interference" of the Church and ultimately in the hands of whoever happened to hold the reins of governmental power in the modern "democratic" state. Despotism has been the result in both cases

Huh? Adam and Eve create souls? Is this a new heresy or am I not following you?

Maybe I'm confused: HE created two BODIES...........

Genesis 2:4-7
4. This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens--
5. and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,
6. but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground--
7. the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

HE definitely created THIS one....

NIV Genesis 2:21-25
21. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
22. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called `woman, ' for she was taken out of man."
24. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

This one: did SHE get 'breathed into' as well?

Genesis 5:3
3. When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

Now what?????????

Ecclesiastes 12:6-8
6. Remember him--before the silver cord is severed, or the golden bowl is broken; before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, or the wheel broken at the well,
7. and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
8. "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Everything is meaningless!"

SOLOMON makes this statement: is it correct??

Does GOD have a 'reserve' of 'souls', just awaiting bodies (like the Mormons claim) or does HE supply a new one for each new baby that the parents have made??

Hermann do you really think you can be as Holy as God?
Did I say that? Nooooo. Is holiness different from perfection in morality? Yeeeeeessssss.

But for hundreds of posts you have said that we are to be Holy as God is holy. That is perfection..

1 St. John 2.3 And by this we know that we have known him, if we keep his commandments.
John presents obedience as a fruit of Salvation not its cause
4 He who saith that he knoweth him and keepeth not his commandments is a liar: and the truth is not in him.
Again it is a mark of the saved..not a cause
5 But he that keepeth his word, in him in very deed the charity of God is perfected. And by this we know that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.
A call to have our walk consistant with our witness...not about being saved by works
... 3.4 Whosoever committeth sin committeth also iniquity. And sin is iniquity.
5 And you know that he appeared to take away our sins: and in him there is no sin.
Redemption by Christ..not our works
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: and whosoever sinneth hath not seen him nor known him
This would be at odds with Johns earlier teaching if it was intended as you imply
1Jo 1:8   If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9   If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
This is speaking about the Christian walk as compared to the heathen . A believer cannot sin comparatively, as he did before he was born of God, And the reason is because he is born of God,
7 Little children, let no man deceive you. He that doth justice is just, even as he is just.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil: for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God appeared, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God committeth not sin: for his seed abideth in him. And he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The regenerate life is incompatible with sin, and gives the believer a hatred for sin in every shape, and an unceasing desire to resist it. "The child of God in this conflict receives indeed wounds daily, but never throws away his arms or makes peace with his deadly foe" [LUTHER]. As Paul noted he hated his sin. That is the heart of the saved. That is why we have an intercessor making offerings for us.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil. Whosoever is not just is not of God, or he that loveth not his brother. ...
3.23 And this is his commandment: That we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as he hath given commandment unto us.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments abideth in him, and he in him. And in this we know that he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us.
... 5.1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ, is born of God. And every one that loveth him who begot, loveth him also who is born of him.
Another note from John that we are saved by Faith in Jesus
2 In this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the charity of God: That we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not heavy.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world. And this is the victory which overcameth the world: Our faith. 1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. ...
5.18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not: but the generation of God preserveth him and the wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 5:16   If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jo 5:17   All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
19 We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness.
I. A recapitulation of the privileges and advantages of sound Christian believers. 1. They are secured against sin, against the fulness of its dominion or the fulness of its guilt: We know that whosoever is born of God (and the believer in Christ is born of God, v. 1) sinneth not (v. 18), sinneth not with that fulness of heart and spirit that the unregenerate do (as was said ch. 3:6, 9), and consequently not with that fulness of guilt that attends the sins of others; and so he is secured against that sin which is unavoidably unto death, or which infallibly binds the sinner over unto the wages of eternal death; the new nature, and the inhabitation of the divine Spirit thereby, prevent the admission of such unpardonable sin.
Matthew Henry

When Paul called himself a sinner you called him an abomination to God
Quote to us, deceiver, where I say "St. Paul is an abomination to God".

In a discussion on sin . I said that Paul called himself a sinner. You denied that he was serious..or that he was speaking in the past tense.

I then gave you the tenses found in that statement and they were present tense
In your reply to that post you wrote

So you view St. Paul as being a standing abomination before God, and not merely talking in superlatives out of humility as to his being the chief sinner of humanity? He was a great abomination than Emperor Caligula?
2,899 posted on 10/13/2003 10:08 PM EDT by Hermann the Cherusker

I had not used the word abomination with Paul..that was your choice of words.. , That appeared to be your opinion of a saint that admits sin.

Your inability to understand the full mercy at the cross and your addition of works caused you to compare the sin of a righteous man with an unrighteous man. when there is no comparison..

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

You have said the OT saints were saved through the law (denying they were declared righteous by God for their faith
Quote to us, deceiver, where I say "Old Testament saints are saved by the law."

Anyone reading your sees your obsession with earning your own way to heaven..just look at the post I am responding, so even to a casual reader it is clear how you believe one is saved. Laws, Laws and more Laws with God paying the wage you earned.

I did a search for the conversation we had on the OT saints and can not find it. But your posts on being saved by the church and the sacraments ..especially the "sacrifice " of the bread and wine and your insistence that it is possible to keep the law..all speak for themselves So I will allow you to call me a liar ...( Good example of loving your neighbor as yourself:>)

While searching I did come across some interesting things I had forgotten

You wrote

The Son of God, being one of the Holy Trinity, was able to save souls prior to His incarnation as Jesus the Christ. You know, men like Abraham, Daniel, Noah, etc.

I responded

By your reckoning God could have bypassed the atonement and just made all men born sinless again

At which point you said

God is all powerful. He could do whatever He needed to merely by an operation of His will.

For some reason I missed that comment..Hermann..God is bound by His word..He can not just do whatever He pleases. The plan of salvation was formed before the beginning of the world..God is bound to His word and His plan. The sin had to be paid for His righteousness demanded it

Then I missed responding to This

Reading the word of God, though, does not sprinkle you with the Blood of Christ and enter you into the new testament or give you a participation in it

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

. The Ethiopian read without understanding the Sacred Scriptures. The Deacon Philip explained them to him and baptised him into the Church.

And this is to mean what ? It is the hearing of the word that brings us to faith

1Cr 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The word of God is ordered to the worship of God. Man is saved by worshipping God as He would have us worship Him, not by reading about Him in a book

How can you worship what you do not know? Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The Church teaches that the Mass is the re-presentation of the sacrifice of Calvary, which also is invariably misunderstood by anti-Catholics. The Catholic Church does not teach that the Mass is a re-crucifixion of Christ, who does not suffer and die again in the Mass.

The Mass, of course, does not re-crucify Christ. The Catholic Church specifically says Christ does not die again—his death is once for all. It would be something else if the Church were to claim he does die again, but it doesn’t make that claim. Through his intercessory ministry in heaven and through the Mass, Jesus continues to offer himself to his Father as a living sacrifice, and he does so in what the Church specifically states is "an unbloody manner"—one that does not involve a new crucifixion.

TWENTY-SECOND SESSION, CANONS ON THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS: "If anyone says that in the mass a true and real sacrifice is not offered to God; or that to be offered is nothing else than that Christ is given to us to eat, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA" (Canons on the Sacrifice of the Mass, Canon 1).

Q. 917. What is the Mass? A. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ.

Q. 918. Why is this Sacrifice called the Mass?

A. This Sacrifice is called the "Mass" very probably from the words "Ite Missa est," used by the priest as he tells the people to depart when the Holy Sacrifice is ended.

Q. 919. What is a sacrifice?

A. A sacrifice is the offering of an object by a priest to God alone, and the consuming of it to acknowledge that He is the Creator and Lord of all things.

Q. 920. Is the Mass the same sacrifice as that of the Cross?

A. The Mass is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross.

Q. 921. How is the Mass the same sacrifice as that of the Cross?

A. The Mass is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross because the offering and the priest are the same -- Christ our Blessed Lord;

and the ends for which the sacrifice of the Mass is offered are the same as those of the sacrifice of the Cross.

Q. 922. What were the ends for which the sacrifice of the Cross was offered?

A. The ends for which the sacrifice of the Cross was offered were:

1st. To honor and glorify God;
2nd. To thank Him for all the graces bestowed on the whole world;
3rd. To satisfy God's justice for the sins of men;
4th. To obtain all graces and blessings.

Herman Post 315
How does the Sacrifice on the Cross make Christ a Priest forever after the Order of Melchisedec? Didn't Melchisedec offer a sacrifice of bread and wine, not himself on a Cross? Where is Christ's sacrifice of bread and wine if the Eucharist is not a sacrifice?
Why would St. Paul clearly contrast Jewish and Pagan sacrifices to the Eucharist if the Eucharist is not also a sacrifice? Doesn't make any sense by your arguments.

THE SIN OF CHILDBEARING???????
God commands childbearing, ergo, God commands sin?

In the Jewish law (Lev. XII.) women for forty days after the birth of a boy, and for eighty after that of a girl, were regarded as unclean and kept out of the temple,

Churching, absolution Churching was the name given to the ecclesiastical ceremony through which a woman who had recently given birth returned to the community of the church and reassumed her rights as a member of the congregation.

Notice of a churching was always given by the woman's husband, either beforehand at the parish registration office or on the same day it was to be carried out. Throughout the country churching took place 4-6 weeks after the birth of a child, to correspond to the purification of the Virgin Mary 40 days after the birth of Jesus. Candlemas Day in February, when the Church celebrated this biblical occasion, was a popular day for the churching of mothers. The six-week interval has its origins in the Old Testament prescription concerning the 40 days that a new mother was "unclean".

Mothers were not allowed to work out-doors until they had been churched, and as many poor women could not afford to be away from work for so long the 1846 canon law proposal recommended that the ceremony be permitted after four weeks, but Parliament did not legislate for this until 1866.

Usually churching took place before the Sunday morning service. After it became possible to postpone baptism for up to six weeks after birth (1864), the practice developed of performing churching and baptism on the same occasion; first the mother would be churched in a separate room, and then she was allowed to join the others who were attending the baptism.

There was an old tradition that churching should take place at the church door, and in some cases in the central aisle. In both cases the ceremony was later moved up to the altar. Wives of the clergy were usually received first at the altar, as were women from the upper classes. One of the reasons for moving the ceremony from the door to the altar was a concern for the women's health - it was cold and draughty by the door. Mothers also felt ashamed of being churched at the door, where it was the practice to punish and absolve criminals. During the ceremony the woman knelt on a special churching stool, while the pastor read the churching prayer then took her hand and pronounced a benediction. The payment of an obligatory churching fee was abolished during the 1860s-1870s.

Unmarried mothers were not churched but shriven, often on a weekday or after a church service. The pastor did not take the woman's hand, nor was she allowed to kneel on a covered stool as married women did, but had to kneel on the floor or at best an uncovered stool.

Originally a woman could not enter a church until a priest said a prayer for her. she had to stay in the Nathex

BTW I was" churched " with all of my older children

http://www.ddb.umu.se/ddbmaterial/nyckvark_eng.htm

Mother Theresa believed all gods were equal

Please prove this with a quotation.

Notable quotes from "Mother" Teresa (12/4/89 Time , pp. 11 & 13): "I love all religions. ... If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there." [On another occasion, she again demonstrated her false gospel that 'there are many ways to God': "All is God--Buddists, Hindus, Christians, etc., all have access to the same God."]

"These people are waiting to die. What are you telling them to prepare them for death and eternity? She replied candidly, 'We tell them to pray to their Bhagwan, to their gods.'"

The April 7-13, 1990 issue of Radio Times tells the story of Mother Teresa sheltering an old Hindu priest, and said, "she nursed him with her own hands and helped him to die reconciled with his own gods." This is exactly what the Sisters of Charity do in Kathmandu, Nepal, as we shall see from the interview with Sister Ann.

"If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are...What approach would I use? For me, naturally, it would be a Catholic one, for you it may be Hindu, for someone else, Buddhist, according to one’s conscience. What God is in your mind you must accept" (Doig, Mother Teresa, Harper & Row, 1976, p. 156).

--Mother Theresa

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). --Jesus Christ

I thought Mother Theresa was a fine woman , and she gave comfort to many..but I have no desire to spend eternity with her.

Rituale Romanum - Benedictio Mulieris Post Partum

Roman Ritual - Blessing of a Woman After Childbirth

The Roman ceremony involes the saying of Psalm 23 "Domini est terra", the prayer Ingredere ("Enter thou into the temple of God, adore the Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who hath given thee fruitfulness of offspring."), a series of versicles from the Psalms, a prayer of thanksgiving for a safe delivery, and a blessing with Holy Water at the Altar. There is NOTHING about the Roman Ceremony that has anything to do with some sort of "sinfulness" of childbearing.

Catholic Encyclopedia: A blessing given by the Church to mothers after recovery from childbirth. Only a Catholic woman who has given birth to a child in legitimate wedlock, provided she has not allowed the child to be baptized outside the Catholic Church, is entitled to it. It is not a precept, but a pious and praiseworthy custom (Rituale Romanum), dating from the early Christian ages, for a mother to present herself in the Church as soon as she is able to leave her house (St. Charles Borromeo, First Council of Milan), to render thanks to God for her happy delivery, and to obtain by means of the priestly blessing the graces necessary to bring up her child in a Christian manner. The prayers indicate that this blessing is intended solely for the benefit of the mother, and hence it is not necessary that she should bring the child with her; nevertheless, in many places the pious and edifying custom prevails of specially dedicating the child to God. For, as the Mother of Christ carried her Child to the Temple to offer Him to the Eternal Father, so a Christian mother is anxious to present her offspring to God and obtain for it the blessing of the Church. This blessing, in the ordinary form, without change or omission, is to be given to the mother, even if her child was stillborn, or has died without baptism (Cong. Sac. Rit., 19 May, 1896).

Ahh! Anglican idiocy! Parliament does not legislate the Catholic Faith.

BTW I was" churched " with all of my older children

Did you understand what you were doing, or was it just empty formalism?

Mother Theresa believed all gods were equal

Please prove this with a quotation.

Notable quotes from "Mother" Teresa

I'm afraid none of your quotes say she thought "all gods are equal". They do tell about her compassion towards the ALL the dying, for which her fame went forth throughout all the earth. Mother Teresa witnessed to Christ by showing His love to all through compassionate care, especially to those rejected pagans dying alone in the gutters, to abandoned orphans, and other pitiful cases ("Religion pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to give aid to orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself unspotted from this world." - St. James 1.27). Her charism was not to preach Christ to people who did not wish to hear it, although she gladly preached and baptized all who evidenced an interest (she nicknamed her baptisms of the unconscious she found on death's door "Peter's Passport"). But if someone wished to die a Hindu and was not interested in knowing Christ, she was content to let them have their wish, and to comfort them at their last hours when all others had abandoned them.

I've been over to India, and I worked some with her order in one of their orphanages (among other things). Before Mother Teresa, many of the billion or so Indians, living isolated in their villages, had never heard of Christ or Christianity. After her, EVERY Indian I met knew of Him because of her. She, by her charity, silently preached Christ to more people than you could ever dream of. And let me tell you, her Sisters were very eager to share the Gospel with anyone who wanted to hear it.

"All is God--Buddists, Hindus, Christians, etc., all have access to the same God." - "And it shall come to pass that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved." (Acts 2.21). Are you telling me that only Christians can call upon God? How then do non-Christians ever come to Christ?

"... it is they who follow the Law that will be justified. When the Gentiles who have no law do by nature what the Law prescribes, these having no law are a law unto themselves. They show the work of the Law written on their hearts. Their conscience bears witness to them, even when conflicting thoughts accuse or defend them. This will take place on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the hidden secrets of men through Jesus Christ." (Romans 2.13-16)

You are a Calvinist. Surely you believe that God knows His own, and is capable of bringing to faith and salvation those pagans who die in the presence of a Christian. And those who are not predestined to life, He can still bring before the same Christian to allow corporal works of mercy to be performed for them to the eternal merit of the Christian performing the works in faith for the love of God.

Or do you think she should have tossed out on their ears back into the gutter any dying person who did not wish to have Christ preached to them?

I thought Mother Theresa was a fine woman , and she gave comfort to many..but I have no desire to spend eternity with her.

Don't worry, God in His love fulfills everyone's desires.

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