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Thomas A. Droleskey on the Lies of Protestantism
Seattle Catholic ^ | September 29, 2003 | Thomas A. Droleskey

Posted on 09/30/2003 9:32:47 AM PDT by Fifthmark

Protestantism is founded on many lies: (1) That Our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did not create a visible, hierarchical Church. (2) That there is no authority given by Our Lord to the Pope and his bishops and priests to govern and to sanctify the faithful. (3) That each believer has an immediate and personal relationship with the Savior as soon as he makes a profession of faith on his lips and in his heart, therefore being perpetually justified before God. (4) Having been justified by faith alone, a believer has no need of an intermediary from a non-existent hierarchical priesthood to forgive him his sins. He is forgiven by God immediately when he asks forgiveness. (5) This state of justification is not earned by good works. While good works are laudable, especially to help unbelievers convert, they do not impute unto salvation. Salvation is the result of the profession of faith that justifies the sinner. (6) That grace is merely, in the words of Martin Luther, the snowflakes that cover up the "dungheap" that is man. (7) That there is only one source of Divine Revelation, Sacred Scripture. (8) That each individual is his own interpreter of Sacred Scripture. (9) That there is a strict separation of Church and State. Princes, to draw from Luther himself, may be Christians but it is not as a Christian that they ought to rule. These lies have permutated in thousands of different directions. However, they have sewn the fabric of the modern state and popular culture for nearly 500 years (I shudder to think how the Vatican is going to commemorate the 500th anniversary of Luther's posting his 95 theses on the church doors in Wittenberg fourteen years from now).

Here below are explanations of these lies and their multifaceted implications for the world in which we live:

(1-2) The contention that Our Lord did not create a visible, hierarchical church vitiates the need for a hierarchical, sacerdotal priesthood for the administration of the sacraments. It is a rejection of the entirety of the history of Christianity prior to the Sixteenth Century. It is a denial of the lesson taught us by Our Lord by means of His submission to His own creatures, Saint Joseph and the Blessed Mother, in the Holy Family of Nazareth that each of us is to live our entire lives under authority, starting with the authority of the Vicar of Christ and those bishops who are in full communion with him. The rejection of the visible, hierarchical church is founded on the prideful belief that we are able to govern ourselves without being directed by anyone else on earth. This contention would lead in due course to the rejection of any and all religious belief as necessary for individuals and for societies. Luther and Calvin paved the way for Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the French Revolution that followed so closely the latter's deification of man.

(3-6) Baptism is merely symbolic of the Christian's desire to be associated with the Savior in the amorphous body known as the Church. What is determinative of the believer's relationship with Christ is his profession of faith. As the believer remains a reprobate sinner, all he can do is to seek forgiveness by confessing his sins privately to God. This gives the Protestant of the Lutheran strain the presumptuous sense that there is almost nothing he can do to lose his salvation once he has made his profession of faith in the Lord Jesus. There is thus no belief that a person can scale the heights of personal sanctity by means of sanctifying grace. It is impossible, as Luther projected from his own unwillingness to cooperate with sanctifying grace to overcome his battles with lust, for the believer to be anything other than a dungheap. Thus a Protestant can sin freely without for once considering that he has killed the life of sanctifying grace in his soul, thereby darkening his intellect and weakening the will and inclining himself all the more to sin-and all the more a vessel of disorder and injustice in the larger life of society.

(7-8) The rejection of a visible, hierarchical Church and the rejection of Apostolic Tradition as a source of Divine Revelation protected by that Church leads in both instances to theological relativism. Without an authoritative guide to interpret Divine Revelation, including Sacred Scripture, individual believers can come to mutually contradictory conclusions about the meaning of passages, the precise thing that has given rise to literally thousands of Protestant sects. And if a believer can reduce the Bible, which he believes is the sole source of Divine Revelation, to the level of individual interpretation, then there is nothing to prevent anyone from doing the same with all written documents, including the documents of a nation's founding. If the plain words of Scripture can be deconstructed of their meaning, it is easy to do so, say, with the words of a governmental constitution. Theological relativism paved the way for moral relativism. Moral relativism paved the way for the triumph of positivism and deconstructionism as normative in the realm of theology and that of law and popular culture.

(9) The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ as it was exercised by His true Church in the Middle Ages by the Protestant concept of the separation of Church and State is what gave rise to royal absolutism in Europe in the immediate aftermath of Luther's handiwork. Indeed, as I have noted any number of times before, it is arguably the case that the conditions that bred resentment on the part of colonists in English America prior to 1776 might never have developed if England had remained a Catholic nation. The monarchy would have been subject in the Eighteenth Century to same constraints as it had in the Tenth or Eleventh Centuries, namely, that kings and queens would have continued to understand that the Church reserved unto herself the right to interpose herself in the event that rulers had done things-or proposed to do things-that were contrary to the binding precepts of the Divine positive law and the natural law and/or were injurious of the cause of the sanctification and salvation of the souls of their subjects. The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ deposited power first of all in the hands of monarchs eager to be rid of the "interference" of the Church and ultimately in the hands of whoever happened to hold the reins of governmental power in the modern "democratic" state. Despotism has been the result in both cases

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A concise summation of the errors of Proestantism. The full article also discusses Freemasonry and other lies, including those of the Clintons, that permeate the world.
1 posted on 09/30/2003 9:32:47 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark
A concise summation of the errors of Proestantism Protestantism.

It wouldn't be Protestantism without the protest, of course.

2 posted on 09/30/2003 9:39:46 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark
Question. Have Protestants any faith in Christ?
Answer. They never had.
Q. Why not?
Ans. Because there never lived such a Christ as they imagine and believe in.
Q. In what kind of a Christ do they believe?
Ans. In such a one of whom they can make a liar with impunity, whose doctrines they can interpret as they please, and who does not care what a man believes, provided he be an honest man before the public.
Q. Will such a faith in such a Christ save Protestants?
Ans. No sensible man will assert such an absurdity.
Q. What will Christ say to them on the day of judgment?
Ans. I know you not, because you never knew me:
Q. Are Protestants willing to confess their sins to a Catholic bishop or priest, who alone has power from Christ to forgive sins? ‘Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them.'
Ans. No; for they generally have an utter aversion to confession, and therefore their sins will not be forgiven them throughout all eternity.
Q. What follows from this?
Ans. That they die in their sins and are damned.
-Familar Explanation of Christian Doctrine, Fr. Michael Mueller, C.SS.R.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=AJG5840
3 posted on 09/30/2003 10:29:59 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Do you believe that is representative of current Catholic teaching as expressed in the Universal Catechism?
4 posted on 09/30/2003 11:05:19 AM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: RnMomof7; drstevej
Ping to this thread, and reply #3.
5 posted on 09/30/2003 11:05:40 AM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: malakhi
"Do you believe that is representative of current Catholic teaching as expressed in the Universal Catechism?"

Yes it is. Go and read from the entire book it is excerpted from, and you will gain understanding of it.

Start on page 91

http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=moa;cc=moa;sid=9b9bb0900d487e5c145775cba423ff3b;rgn=full%20text;idno=AJG5840;view=image;seq=00000007

You'll want to read through page 116.
6 posted on 09/30/2003 11:22:56 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; drstevej; RnMomof7
Ugly, really ugly, Hermann.

Look, as an Orthodox Christian, I believe that the
Protestant understanding of the Church is truly flawed.

BUT, to take that and imply that people who hold that view
are liars is both stupid and contrary to both charity
and what is right before your eyes.

I can't sit still while friends who truly love Jesus
are accused like this even if they are wrong doctrinally.

Newberger (aka Paul)
7 posted on 09/30/2003 11:31:04 AM PDT by newberger
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
From the Universal Catechism:

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements" Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."

8 posted on 09/30/2003 11:38:59 AM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Fifthmark; malakhi; SoothingDave; RnMomof7
The overthrow of the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ deposited power first of all in the hands of monarchs eager to be rid of the "interference" of the Church and ultimately in the hands of whoever happened to hold the reins of governmental power in the modern "democratic" state. Despotism has been the result in both cases.

Whew! I'm glad there was no despotism in the Middle Ages when the Roman Catholic Church was in charge.

9 posted on 09/30/2003 11:40:54 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: malakhi
Well, I'll sleep better tonight.
10 posted on 09/30/2003 11:42:15 AM PDT by Gamecock (Paul was a Calvinist!)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Start on page 91

I'm up to page 93 so far, and already I've seen falsehood and calumny.

11 posted on 09/30/2003 11:42:17 AM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: SoothingDave
(5) This state of justification is not earned by good works.

Hey Dave! A lie of Protestantism?

12 posted on 09/30/2003 11:43:38 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: ksen; Hermann the Cherusker
From page 99 of Hermann's link:

Q. What great crime did these wicked men commit?

A. They rebelled against the Church of Jesus Christ, and caused a great number of their Catholic countrymen to follow their bad example.

13 posted on 09/30/2003 11:47:34 AM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Hi Hermann, thank you for being so forthright in your beliefs. It makes communication much easier if people know where each other stand. BTW, I'm one of those deluded Baptists, just so you know.

Anyway, would you consider yourself a Roman Catholic of the SSPX/Sedevacantist or Vatican II variety?
14 posted on 09/30/2003 11:47:59 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: Fifthmark
(7) That there is only one source of Divine Revelation, Sacred Scripture.

Ok, so would Divine Tradition or the Magisterium ever contradict the written Word of God?

15 posted on 09/30/2003 11:50:31 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: Fifthmark
(8) That each individual is his own interpreter of Sacred Scripture.

Fifthmark, if you're gonna post our lies, at least post 'em right.

We believe that each individual can understand the Scriptures under the Illumination of the Holy Spirit. It has to do with that whole Priesthood of the Believers thing.

16 posted on 09/30/2003 11:52:51 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: malakhi
From page 99 of Hermann's link:

May God watch over you as you slog through the remaining 17 pages.

17 posted on 09/30/2003 11:53:53 AM PDT by ksen (HHD)
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To: malakhi
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

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Mission - a requirement of the Church's catholicity

849 The missionary mandate. "Having been divinely sent to the nations that she might be 'the universal sacrament of salvation,' the Church, in obedience to the command of her founder and because it is demanded by her own essential universality, strives to preach the Gospel to all men":339 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and Lo, I am with you always, until the close of the age."340

850 The origin and purpose of mission. The Lord's missionary mandate is ultimately grounded in the eternal love of the Most Holy Trinity: "The Church on earth is by her nature missionary since, according to the plan of the Father, she has as her origin the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit."341 The ultimate purpose of mission is none other than to make men share in the communion between the Father and the Son in their Spirit of love.342

851 Missionary motivation. It is from God's love for all men that the Church in every age receives both the obligation and the vigor of her missionary dynamism, "for the love of Christ urges us on."343 Indeed, God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth";344 that is, God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth. Those who obey the prompting of the Spirit of truth are already on the way of salvation. But the Church, to whom this truth has been entrusted, must go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth. Because she believes in God's universal plan of salvation, the Church must be missionary.

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"Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to 'Catholic unity.'"

Yes for little children, and the ignorant spiritually blind. On the other hand, those who refuse to examine the Catholic Church or who reject it are in for a big shock. The grace is there within Protestantism to come out of its errors and embrace the truth of Catholicism.

"God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth."

Protestants cannot remain where they are. IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. No truth - no sacraments - no salvation.

1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.51 "Sacramental grace" is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature52 by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.

Similarly, Protestants must go to confession to have their sins forgiven. For perfect contrition to cause the forgiveness of sins it necessarily must include a desire to go to confession.

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called "perfect" (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.51

1493 One who desires to obtain reconciliation with God and with the Church, must confess to a priest all the unconfessed grave sins he remembers after having carefully examined his conscience. The confession of venial faults, without being necessary in itself, is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.

18 posted on 09/30/2003 12:00:49 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: ksen
Anyway, would you consider yourself a Roman Catholic of the SSPX/Sedevacantist or Vatican II variety?

I am a Catholic of the Roman Rite in full communion with Pope John Paul II, and fully accepting as required by the Church all the teachings of Vatican II, dogmatic and pastoral. I reject the schism of the SSPX and the heresy of the Sedevacantists. I am a member of St. Cecilia parish, archdiocese of Philadelphia.

"We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all must (opportet) be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God." (Vatican II, Decree on Ecumenism "Unitatis Redintegratio", 3)

19 posted on 09/30/2003 12:07:59 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Fifthmark; malakhi; ksen
Thomas A. Droleskey on the Lies of Protestantism

A concise summation of the errors of Proestantism. The full article also discusses Freemasonry and other lies, including those of the Clintons, that permeate the world.

Another load of horse snit droped by a catholic.

Go get a broom and clean this up!

BigMack

20 posted on 09/30/2003 12:09:02 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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