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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
>>"Unless I am convicted by Scripture and plain reason ... I will not recant,">>

I wonder of the movie shows the part where Luther is told where the bible explicitly demonstrates purgatory, whereupon Luther proceeds to "cover up" the evidence by proclaiming that Revelations, Hebrew, James, 2+3 John, 1+2 Peter, 1+2 Maccabees and Wisdom are *all* apocryphal. Yes, not only what later protestants call the apocrypha, Luther also threw out large chunks of the New Testament, in order to maintain his position.

Do you think they'll show that part?
4 posted on 09/19/2003 11:33:04 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
I wonder of the movie shows the part where Luther is told where the bible explicitly demonstrates purgatory...

Let's see those Biblical sources.

Do you think they'll show that part?

I'm more interested in your Scriptural support.

5 posted on 09/20/2003 3:20:47 AM PDT by Wrigley
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I doubt it will. It probably won't get into his scatalogical obsessions either. And from the review, it sounds like the filmmakers take Luther's denial of responsibility for the consequences of his beliefs (peasant riots, immediately, and modern, more horrible consequences) at face value.

On the other hand, the relationship between Luther and the Ustinov character could be interesting -- a tyrant using Luther's beliefs as justification to seize total control over his subjects, who are left without recourse to a Church disposed against tyranny. And Luther, cheering him along, saying he didn't mean that everyone could interpret the Bible for themselves, only that the Church can't interpose itself between individuals and the all-powerful state (as long as it's Lutheran, that is).

I looked at the movie's website, and it seems to be yet more protestant revisionist history. Luther the hero, standing up against the evil Church. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be an interesting movie to watch. It could just be marketing, after all. I'll probably rent it, so if I yell at the screen I won't bother anyone I don't know or can't easily apologize to.

Someone ought to make a movie about the real Luther.
10 posted on 09/21/2003 7:08:09 PM PDT by possum
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