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To: ultima ratio
"Maybe you're the one who should investigate whether your own faith is truly Catholic. "

Sounds like you're projecting. Where you are getting that
the missal reflects Lutheranism, I have no idea. Tin-foil
hat a shade tight? Even the pope doesn't wear his mitre
so tightly that it doesn't impede the flow of blood to the brain.
99 posted on 09/10/2003 6:48:00 PM PDT by karen999
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To: karen999
"Where you are getting that the missal reflects Lutheranism, I have no idea."

Of course you have no idea--your posts show it. All you've done so far is throw around uninformed accusations and make snide remarks. I suggest you do some background reading on the liturgy first, then fling your barbs--when you're a little better informed.
104 posted on 09/10/2003 7:17:10 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: karen999
Since you are so ignorant of the facts, let me clue you in. The Novus Ordo was concocted in a conscious effort to attract Protestants--Lutherans, in particular. There are parts which not only resemble the Lutheran Lord's Supper worship service, but actually use the very same language and rubrics. Like Luther, moreover, Bugnini chose to emphasize the commemorative meal aspect of the Liturgy, rather than propitiatory sacrifice (he includes in passing a "sacrifice of praise"--but this is NOT propitiatory as Trent demands)--and this is exactly as Luther had done five hundred years ago when HE dumped the old missal in favor of a new one. Like Luther Bugnini also begins his liturgy by tossing out the Offertory. In this case he has replaced it with a before-meal Jewish blessing, the Berakoth. All of which is contrary to the Council of Trent which proscribed emphasizing the meal aspect of the Mass at the expense of propitiatory sacrifice. Still worse, the Mass is undergirded by a Protestant Paschal Meal theology and distinctly suppresses central Catholic dogmas--that of the Real Presence and that of Propitiation. By doing so it has destroyed the ancient sacrificial structure of the Mass.But this is only the half of it. Like the Lutheran worship service, the New Mass is centered on the congregation primarily. The priest now faces the people and the emphasis is now placed on Christ's virtual presence in Scripture and in the assembly, rather than on His Real Presence on the altar in Transubstantiation. In fact, the altar itself has become merely a table and the climax of the Mass is now Communion, rather than Transubstantiation. All of which is not very Catholic.

--Any questions?
108 posted on 09/10/2003 7:45:01 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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