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To: NYer
This is a little off topic, but it doesn't rate a thread of its own.

Images of Our Lady are based in part on descriptions of her apparitions at Lourdes, Fatima, etc. by those to whom she appeared.

Are there cases of apparitions of demons, and images based on descriptions of those apparitions?
5 posted on 09/07/2003 5:32:30 PM PDT by dsc
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To: OLD REGGIE
Pinging you to this story as I know you have been to Lourdes.
6 posted on 09/07/2003 5:43:51 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: dsc
images based on descriptions of those apparitions?

There are no images approved by the church of demons that I ever heard about. Medjugorje may be demonic and there are statues of that lady, but the church hasn't approved that.

Some works of art contain images of dark entities, but only for instructive or artistic purposes. I think gargoyles found on churches built in the middle ages may represent evil spirits. Certainly the spirits those latter images represent are never sought for intercession.

9 posted on 09/07/2003 6:05:53 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: dsc
Are there cases of apparitions of demons, and images based on descriptions of those apparitions?

In addition to what others have already said, even at Lourdes I think at one point Bernadette saw and/or heard "evil" in the river telling her (or the Immaculate) to leave. When the Blessed Virgin Mary looked in their direction, they left. (Something to that effect anyway).

Also, after St. Bernadette's visions at Lourdes, there were many claims of "visions" from others at the Grotto. Some were sure that they were seeing evil spirits "dressed in light". In any event, the Bishop only approved St. Bernadette's experiences as worthy of belief.

I don't recall ever seeing a painting of the evil one described and dictated to an artist by a visionary.

36 posted on 09/07/2003 11:03:30 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: dsc
you ask about demonic apparations. yes there are many.

Indeed, after Lourdes occurred, there were over 100 "copycat" visions. Most were merely vivid imagination, but probably a few were demonic. That is why the church is so slow at approving of a vision. Even in today in the USA I know of at least 10 people who were seriously investigated for having visions. Most have been "shut down" by the local bishops, and at least one (bayside) is powerful but so anti church/hateful that some suspect it is demonic...

If you want to read about it is detail, check out the book " A Still Small Voice" by father Groeschel.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898704367/qid=1063020125/sr=1-26/ref=sr_1_26/002-9773405-1067262?v=glance&s=books

He is a psychologist, and explains how supernatural phenomenum can be anything from fraud to mental illness, to overactive imagination, to spiritual inspiration where a person adds his imagination to pure miracle.

Many churches had "words of knowledge". Now, most Christians who read the bible have inspirations from God, but often these inspirations are contaminated by our selves. So these churches require and interpretation by another, and a Biblical confirmation.

Catholics do the same. ALL confirmed visions essentially say the same thing: Repent and pray. Some have warnings, but others do not. Alas, the warnings are often made more important by people than the message of repentence...
42 posted on 09/08/2003 4:28:22 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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