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1 posted on 09/03/2003 1:24:08 PM PDT by Polycarp
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2 posted on 09/03/2003 1:25:50 PM PDT by Polycarp (When a mother can kill her own child, what is left of the West to save?" - Mother Theresa)
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To: Polycarp
Excellent article. The statistics are very useful in helping to debate with fellow Christians why contraception is a serious evil.

Thanks
5 posted on 09/03/2003 2:37:26 PM PDT by Gophack
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Good post. It's amazing to read that the Washington Post would editorialize against contraception. Things, sure have changed.
7 posted on 09/03/2003 2:49:32 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: Polycarp
All these things are true and are bothering me.

What is also bothering me is I can't in good conscience tell someone not to use birth control when having so many children is impossible in our society for the average person, no matter what religion they are.

It is also nearly impossible to have a lot of childre in poor countries.

I'd be much more open to the message of the church if they told people just how they can have just an average standard of living with say five kids using their own resources.

I've really agonized about this issue pro and con, and it only seems to work for families who have good educations and better-than-average jobs where the wife can stay home.

When my ex-husband got out of high school, he got a good blue collar job and with his insurance and benefits, we could conceivably have raised 10 children with a little scrimping with no outside or government help. For the life of me, I look at our young kids today in ANY country and can't imagine how any of them could manage anything close to that in our modern world.

If people would just tell people HOW to do things rather than preach at them NOT to do it, I would feel better about the whole thing. Yes, we are all dependent on God and I have had tremendous faith that He would provide at times, but telling whole societies not to use birth control and God will provide surpasses my faith quotient.

Can I just ask you if you personally had married at 20 or so in America, what kind of job would you look for to support your family, with no Government help?

Back when people lived on farms and grew their own food, it worked a lot better. In industrial societies, it is hard to imagine how everybody could have a basic lifestyle and a lot of kids if they don't have a super job. I know some manage to do it, but all people just can't unless they live in a closed community with a lot of support such as the Mormons and Hassidic Jews who have lots of kids and manage rather well.

My granddaughter's father had a catholic family of six, it broke down, and four of the children had to be adopted by relatives. I suspect financial strain in a community without good jobs had something to do with it. Alcohol also played a part. They were what you would call average catholics, not elite catholics with super educations. Granddaughter's father ending up jumping in front of a semi, so all this really hits close to home.

8 posted on 09/03/2003 3:28:35 PM PDT by Aliska
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9 posted on 09/03/2003 3:40:41 PM PDT by Loyalist
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The Brave New World marches on...

WebMD Health

FDA Approves New Birth Control Pill

Seasonale -- First Birth Control Pill Approved for 'Seasonal' Periods

By Jeanie Lerche Davis
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
With reporting by Gina Shaw.

Friday, September 05, 2003

Sept. 5, 2003 -- The FDA has given its blessing to Seasonale, the first extended-cyle birth control pill. For women who dread their monthly period, there's no better news - the pill promises to cut the number of women's periods to four times a year.

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In fact, the future likely holds even greater options, he adds. "This probably is the first step of a progression towards yearly ... periods, maybe longer -- absolutely."

"Even if a woman has no period for years and years, the safety has been well proven," Norris says.

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62 posted on 09/09/2003 4:20:27 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Birth Control Update Birth Control Update Venture into the brave new world of contraception - from the newly approved "no period" pill to pills that may also prevent disease.
See our special report.

63 posted on 09/09/2003 4:40:10 PM PDT by Dajjal
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