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Wisconsin priests sign letter urging Roman Catholic church to allow optional celibacy
AP Wire (direct feed) | August 19, 2003

Posted on 08/19/2003 6:15:43 AM PDT by NYer

MILWAUKEE (AP) _ More than 160 priests in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Milwaukee have signed a letter arguing that married men should be allowed to enter the priesthood.

The letter marks the first time since the mid-1970s that a group of priests has spoken out in favor of loosening the rules on celibacy, said Dean Hoge, a sociologist at Catholic University of America. ``We join our voices to those of so many others at this time, voices urging that diocesan priesthood now be open to married men as well as to celibate men,'' the letter said. The priests hope the letter will prompt a dialogue about the issue of optional celibacy because of the shortage of priests, said the Rev. Tom Suriano, pastor of St. Patrick Church in Whitewater.

Catholic priests must take a vow of celibacy and the church forbids priest to be married. The Rev. Robert Silva, president of the National Federation of Priests' Councils, said he would request that the letter be discussed by the Committee on Priestly Life and Ministry, a subcommittee of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Milwaukee Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan will chair that committee, beginning in November, Silva said. Archdiocesan spokesman Jerry Topczewski said Dolan did not attempt to stop the priests from circulating the letter. Topczewski also did not expect any fallout for priests who signed the letter.

Copies of the letter were mailed to 442 retired and active diocesan priests living in the 10-county archdiocese, and 128, or 29 percent, returned signed copies, the organizers said. Another 35 religious order priests signed copies. ``Given the present context of the scandals of the last several years, many see optional celibacy as something that needs to be discussed. It opens up the pool of candidates for the priesthood,'' Silva said.

AP-ES-08-19-03 0512EDT


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; celibacy; marriedpriests; priesthood
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1 posted on 08/19/2003 6:15:43 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
It opens up the pool of candidates for the priesthood,'' Silva said.

It also opens up Pandora's box, raising many questions on who, how, where, what ... !

2 posted on 08/19/2003 6:18:51 AM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: NYer
Well technically, there are already married men in the priesthood. There are married priests in the Anglican-Use and in the Easter Rites. But this is not such a hot idea throughout the Church. The Church needs HOLY men, period.
3 posted on 08/19/2003 6:20:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: xsmommy
Seen this yet?
4 posted on 08/19/2003 6:36:38 AM PDT by secret garden (now what?)
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To: NYer
If a married man really feels that he has a vocation to become a priest, then he should speak to his confessor and consider a change of rite.

And the concept of "optional celibacy" is wholly and entirely alien to historic Christianity. No Apostolic church, Catholic, Orthodox or Monophysite permits priests to "choose" a mode of life after ordination. Once one is ordained one is confirmed in his state of life: those married before ordination must remain married, those unmarried before ordination must remain celibate.

That's the way it has always been in every church that traces its succession back to the Apostles.

5 posted on 08/19/2003 6:50:20 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: NYer
I can see a priest stacking the Tribunal with friends anticipating his marriage to Sr. Mary Kathryn might not work out and a quick Annulment will keep his options on Sr. Brigitte open.
6 posted on 08/19/2003 7:25:29 AM PDT by As you well know...
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To: wideawake
No Apostolic church, Catholic, Orthodox or Monophysite permits priests to "choose" a mode of life after ordination. Once one is ordained one is confirmed in his state of life: those married before ordination must remain married, those unmarried before ordination must remain celibate.

I see nowhere in this letter (a more complete story is on the News/Activism forum) that these priests are asking for marriage for themselves.

It's also interesting that Dolan did nothing to stop the release of this letter, nor will there be any fallout for the priests who signed it.

If mandatory celibacy is as strong as many think it is, then it would certainly survive some spirited discussion, which seems to be what Dolan is thinking.

7 posted on 08/19/2003 7:33:10 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
When the Pope says the question of celibacy is closed, why does a Deacon encourage the opposite?

And since when has this dead horse not been recently beaten?

8 posted on 08/19/2003 7:39:59 AM PDT by As you well know...
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To: sinkspur
I see nowhere in this letter (a more complete story is on the News/Activism forum) that these priests are asking for marriage for themselves.

They use the term "optional celibacy" - which is very imprecise.

It's also interesting that Dolan did nothing to stop the release of this letter, nor will there be any fallout for the priests who signed it.

Given the marked and persistent leftism of the Milwaukee Archdiocese it's actually singularly uninteresting.

If mandatory celibacy is as strong as many think it is, then it would certainly survive some spirited discussion, which seems to be what Dolan is thinking.

If Apostolic authority is such as Catholics believe it to be, then it is highly inappropriate to discuss "optional celibacy" in a forum that has no authority to render decisions of any theological or disciplinary weight.

9 posted on 08/19/2003 7:44:56 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
If Apostolic authority is such as Catholics believe it to be, then it is highly inappropriate to discuss "optional celibacy" in a forum that has no authority to render decisions of any theological or disciplinary weight.

I disagree. We talk about it here all the time, to the chagrin of many Catholics who just can't stand it.

It's a discipline, and, if anything, it has been gradually relaxed over the last 40 years, with the reinstituion of the permanent diaconate and the Anglican dispensation (which admits not just Anglicans, but Lutherans and Methodists as well).

It is the man himself that is called to holiness, and that man can be married or single, as we've seen.

10 posted on 08/19/2003 7:49:23 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ninenot
As our "man on the scene" in Milwaukee, we are expecting a report based on your inside information.
11 posted on 08/19/2003 7:54:10 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: As you well know...
When the Pope says the question of celibacy is closed, why does a Deacon encourage the opposite?

It is a discipline, not a matter of faith. And it's not closed; married men are being ordained every year, some Catholic, some Protestant converts.

I'd wager a very large sum that there is a great deal of support for optional celibacy among the bishops of most countries, no matter what public pronouncements they make.

Even Dolan, who's as orthodox as they come, sees no problem in priests advocating the discussion of celibacy.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 7:57:08 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
(1) Everyone knows that it is a discipline.

(2) The Archdiocese of Milwaukee has no power to change it in the slightest. The clergy of the Milwaukee Archdiocese have much more pressing matters to attend to - like curbing their predilection for preaching heresy from Catholic pulpits every Sunday.

(3) If the Holy Spirit sees fit to change it then it will be changed through the same earthly authority through which it was originally authorized: the Holy See. Let Dolan stick to paying off the ex-boyfriends of his predecessor.

13 posted on 08/19/2003 7:59:35 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: sinkspur
Guess the Pope was wrong. The quesion isn't closed. I shall Email him immediately.
14 posted on 08/19/2003 8:04:56 AM PDT by As you well know...
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To: Maximilian
Sorry---I posted the other thread here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966535/posts and my comments are on that thread.
15 posted on 08/19/2003 8:11:46 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: wideawake
If the Holy Spirit sees fit to change it then it will be changed through the same earthly authority through which it was originally authorized: the Holy See.

But the Holy Spirit works where He will, and not exclusively through the Vatican.

16 posted on 08/19/2003 8:16:49 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
But the Holy Spirit works where He will, and not exclusively through the Vatican.

A half-truth: anyone can do anything and claim that the Holy Spirit is working through them.

That's why the Holy Spirit created an Apostolic succession and why Christ left authority over his Church to the successors of Peter. To give us a way of discerning the difference between godly movements and frauds.

When St. Francis was moved to form the Friars Minor according to a manner of life (mendicancy) that was outside the framework of Church discipline, he went to the Pope to seek his blessing - he didn't circulate a letter among the local clergy or try to stir a "popular" movement with which to challenge the Holy See.

That's Luther's strategy - not a Catholic's strategy.

17 posted on 08/19/2003 8:27:08 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: sinkspur
What I am afraid of is that, as in the case of homosexuality, many priests have planted seeds of infidelity among a laity that is totally ignorant of tradition. I have heard too many Catholics say: Why shouldn't Father Bob be allowed to marry and when told that the Greeks, for instance did not allow marriage after ordination, were apt to smile and smugly reply, "Well, that is not what Father told us!" In our illiterate age the distinction between married priests and priests marrying easily escapes the laity.
18 posted on 08/19/2003 8:52:38 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: wideawake
That's why the Holy Spirit created an Apostolic succession and why Christ left authority over his Church to the successors of Peter. To give us a way of discerning the difference between godly movements and frauds.

Well, obviously married priests are of God, or the Church couldn't ordain them. The question then becomes, how many married men does the Church choose to ordain?

19 posted on 08/19/2003 8:57:09 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get two dogs and be part of a pack!)
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To: sinkspur
The question then becomes, how many married men does the Church choose to ordain?

The question has already been answered: as many as the Holy See sees fit to ordain.

The discipline is reserved to the Holy See, not to a gaggle of self-described "liberal, progressive" clergymen from a diocese where even the Church's perennial teaching on sodomy cannot be forcibly preached from the pulpit.

If the Holy See needs their opinion, the Holy See will solicit it.

I find it hard to believe that every single parishioner in Milwaukee is fully and accurately catechized and in the habit of weekly assistance at Mass and monthly reception of absolution. Until the clergy of Milwaukee finish doing their job properly, they should hold off arrogating a higher role for themselves.

20 posted on 08/19/2003 9:29:34 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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