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If you sincerely believe God's design of all things was to create sin, then you have things backwards. Now can you chew on that, and rephrase yourself so that the public isn't misguided to believe your implication that God condones sin to promote His Will.

Oh, how they twist and turn on the spit when the truth is stated! I did not say God created sin. Nowhere have I ever, EVER, said that. You read, but you do not understand.

I said God created Lucifer, knowing he would rebel, and created him anyway, because that rebellion was necessary to God's Plan. Read that very carefully. Who sinned? Was he forced to sin? Was He ordered to sin? But God knew He would sin, did He not? One of two things is true given those facts: Either God did not want Lucifer to sin, in which case Lucifer upset the apple cart, so to speak, and God had to alter His Plan, OR, God had already planned for Lucifer's sin, and therefore Lucifer, while thinking he was causing God problems, actually established God's Plan. I'd bet my money on "B".

What is that Plan? To allow Rebellion to play out to the end of the line, to show sin for all that it is, and how it is not stronger than God, nor can any rebellion ever succeed. To defeat sin and rebellion utterly and totally, so it never again plagues God's Creation. In order to achieve that end, sin is a tool in God's Hand. He turns the results of sin to do His will, to the Praise of His Glory. The chosen glorify God in His Salvation. The Wicked glorify God in His Justice. In all this, he does not sin, nor is sin chargeable to Him. He utilizes rebellion against Him to ultimately glorify Himself, and to destroy rebellion in the process. That, my friend, is the Omnipotent, Omniscient, Almighty God in action, and it is a wonder to behold!

I disagree with the statement that sin was necessary in God's Plan.

Nowhere is it condoned or approved by God.

Indeed many sinful actions correspond to consequent results which happen to glorify God,...all the more to show those who sinned, that their rebellion failed to bring them anything but risk and failure.

I find it much more glorious and honoring of Him to recognize that He doesn't need us or sin for Him to be glorified. His Plan continues and isn't thwarted by sin.

But this is a different track in worshipping His Sovereignty, than attempting to worship sin, even where it might lie coincident with His plan.

When I worship Christ and the Cross, I worship how the Father's Plan was made manifest by Jesus Christ's obedience in faith to Him, and the ressurection of the man by the Spirit leads us to hope in Him for things eternal and eternal life beyond even the spirit.

We don't worship how He was beaten and crucified, then died. Rather we worship Him in that He remained faithful to the Father even as the Perfect sacrifice.

So again, where was sin necessary? BTW, such neccessity also casts doubt on volition.

"sin is a tool in God's Hand.....In all this, he does not sin, nor is sin chargeable to Him."

Oh, now I get it,...God is sortof like John Calvin in the prosecution of Severtus. Just like Calvin accused and prosecuted Servertus for heresy, but Calvin didn't have to obey the law of the day and be arrested himself until the trial was complete, therefore Calvin could never be accused of any intent to murder Severtus by false charge.

Here's a major difference between the Calvinist points I find hypocritical and God's holiness.

He doesn't have to use sin for anything. He's omnipotent and soveriegn. In his just character He righteously judges those who have sinned and by His grace has placed that judgment on the Perfect sacrifice, Jesus Christ.

We agree on many things, but I find an appeal to charge God as the creator of sin to be opposite His character. He has nothing to do with sin as a tool. It might be the case that sinners, in the object of their sin, discover than God is still in charge and nothing of sin overcomes His will,...but that is vastly different than associating sin with His plan.

Sin and evil are the policy of Satan in a counterfeit cosmic system to God's plan.

The more one rejects this idea, the closer one substitutes a satanic system for God's plan.