To: Cvengr; RnMomof7; CARepubGal
Oh, maybe some get kicked a little differently than others, some a gentle nudge, others drop kicked, but yep,..I tend to think He's acted on us first to allow us to respond."Tending to think" this, that, or the other is quite different from advocating the Biblical Gospel, as preached by Jesus Christ (John 3:3).
- Calvinists preach that Man must be Regenerated in order to Believe.
- Arminians (and all who agree with Arminius on this central point, like yourself) preach that Man must Believe in order to be Regenerated.
"He's acted on us first to allow us to respond" is nothing more than "the gospel as preached by Wesley and De Molina". It's not the Gospel Preached by Jesus Christ. To wit:
- Calvinists, together with the Bible, preach that Man must be Born Again in order to see the Kingdom of God (which is to see the Lordship of God's annointed King Jesus).
- Connecthedots, and all Arminians, preach instead that Man must see the Kingdom of God (which is to see the Lordship of God's annointed King Jesus) in order to be Born Again.
As a matter of Logical precedence, must a Man be Born Again in order to believe in Jesus?
Yea, or Nay?
119 posted on
08/15/2003 11:03:06 PM PDT by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty.)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Cvengr; CARepubGal
"He's acted on us first to allow us to respond" is nothing more than "the gospel as preached by Wesley and De Molina". It's not the Gospel Preached by Jesus Christ.Amen to that! The Wesley/Arminian camp has this idea that God thinks like us, and responds like us. They view the Gospel through those glasses, where it's all about "fairness" and giving man the ability to choose God while still unregenerate, all men have an "equal chance", and God wants man to choose Him freely. They shrink away from the God of scripture, because He seems to be very "set in His ways" and they want a "flexible" Gospel.
121 posted on
08/15/2003 11:16:26 PM PDT by
nobdysfool
(Every time I learn something new, it pushes something old out of my brain...Homer Simpson)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
There you co again, confusing regeneration with efficacious and common grace.
Yes, those things eternal seem foolish to the man who has not been born again.
Common grace being that grace afforded us to hear the Word and Efficacious grace that which allows us to first confess our sins and receive Christ as our Savior, then the Holy Spirit slowly matures us.
351 posted on
08/17/2003 4:41:17 AM PDT by
Cvengr
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