[american colleen]

. Where are the souls that are being saved by the New Mass? Can you point to any?

Me! And my kids! And probably a whole bunch of other people at my parish!

Do you like the Mass on EWTN?

[Maximilian]

Me! And my kids! And probably a whole bunch of other people at my parish!

But that's accepting the idea that you wouldn't have been saved without the New Mass. That's just like the communists pointing to increased tractor production, as though there never would have been any tractors produced if the Czar were still in power.

Let me say also that my experience was different. After nearly 20 years of adult participation in the New Mass, and after paying for 12 years of Catholic school for my oldest, I recognized that it had failed to produce Catholics in my two oldest children. They are not living in a state of grace. And that is the reality for virtually all teenagers growing up in the New Mass and Catholic schools. They are not living in a state of grace. They are immersed in the "culture of death."

That's when I recognized that we needed a Plan B if I wanted any of my children to grow up Catholic.

Do you like the Mass on EWTN?

The Mass on EWTN is celebrated reverentially. By definition, the best New Mass is the one that is least distinguishable from the Latin Mass. So what is the point?

[Antoninus]

Where are the souls that are being saved by the New Mass? Can you point to any?

Me too. I was an agnostic while in college but came back to the Church via the NO Mass. I just started attending again out of a sense of the total emptiness of secular academia. And it was at a Jesuit school, so I guess it's a wonder I didn't run out of there screaming.