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Yes, Virginia, there is a religious war
World Net Daily ^ | August 11 2003 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 08/11/2003 5:43:21 AM PDT by sydney smith

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, Virginia, there is a religious war

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© 2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

He may be beloved of progressives everywhere, but the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, now bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church of New Hampshire, is a flaming fraud.

Insensitive, you say? Consider his conduct. Fifteen years ago, Robinson dissolved his marriage, dumped his wife, abandoned his two little girls and went off to shack up. He thus violated his marriage vows, flouted the teachings of the Anglican faith he was ordained to uphold and entered into a sinful liaison his church has always taught was perverted.

Having failed to conform his life to scriptural command, Robinson now demands that Scripture be reinterpreted to conform to his deviant life style. To see Robinson elevated to bishop is to be reminded that in the French Revolution, the Paris mob used the high altar at Notre Dame Cathedral to canonize the town tramp as their Goddess of Reason.

Now, with massive moral arrogance, Robinson protests that if the Episcopal faithful do not accept him as a consecrated bishop, they – not he – will have broken communion and be responsible for dividing the church.

Faithless to every vow he ever made, this impious cleric now proclaims undying faith to boyfriend Mark Andrew. My advice to Mark: Have his eminence fitted with one of those ankle bracelets that lets you know where the suspect is every moment of the day.

Robinson is being portrayed in the prestige press as a man of moral courage. But a man of moral courage would have stayed with his family, kept his vows, fought his temptations. Robinson ditched his family, dishonored his vows and disgraced himself. He should have been defrocked and excommunicated, not elevated to bishop.

As for the Episcopal faithful, they have little choice but to break communion. For if Robinson is morally qualified to be bishop, then Scripture is wrong. If Scripture is right, Robinson is a reprobate. You cannot teach it both ways. Either homosexual acts are immoral or the Episcopal Church has been teaching homophobia 600 years.

To witness the moral confusion at the Minneapolis convention of the American Episcopal Church is to understand which way the wind is blowing. "Gay" rights has become the civil-rights cause du jour of our cultural elite, and politicians – those most reliable of weather vanes – are signaling recognition of the new correlation of forces.

Asked his own views on the morality of homosexuality, the president himself bobbed and weaved, saying, "we are all sinners" and should "respect each individual."

When Rep. Janice Schakowsky railed that he had just called "gays" sinners and should apologize, the White House meekly retorted that President Bush "doesn't believe in casting stones. He believes we ought to treat one another with dignity and respect."

In the Big Tent, the only mortal sin is being judgmental.

In his answer, however, the president had carefully added, "I think a marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that."

This response was 100 percent political. An amendment to the U.S. Constitution to restrict marriage to a man and a woman is a wedge issue that can rip the Democratic Party apart. As long as President Bush sticks to his Briefing Book, he holds the commanding heights in what is likely to be the fiercest battle of the Culture War in 2004.

The Vatican, however, seeing the movement gaining ground, has issued a document of moral clarity calling civil unions "gravely immoral" and homosexual acts "deviant," and urging Christian leaders to oppose homosexual marriages and adoptions.

"There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family," declared the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Roman Church's watchdog of orthodoxy. Its 12-page guide, approved by John Paul II, states, "Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law."

With the Episcopal Church heading for schism, the Supreme Court discovering sodomy to be a constitutional right, President Bush maneuvering to back an amendment outlawing "gay" marriage, and the pope denouncing homosexual unions as immoral and homosexual acts as deviant, there's no way this issue can be kept out of the campaign of 2004. Nor should it be.

But it does reveal a painful truth. America is again a house divided. The "don't ask, don't tell" moral community in which we grew up has dissolved irrevocably. Christianity, dying in Europe, is under siege in America. A paganism that holds homosexual unions to be "sacramental" – the Rev. Robinson's term – is ascending.

The sad sundered Episcopal Church is a mirror for America


TOPICS: Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bishop; episcopalchurch; homosexuality
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1 posted on 08/11/2003 5:43:21 AM PDT by sydney smith
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How much longer before blood runs in the gutters, I wonder.
3 posted on 08/11/2003 6:12:34 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
The wrath of God will soon fall on America, Great Britain and Israel. Man has exalted himself as god and unbelief rules the world. As it was in the days of Noah ... and again, as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah ... God will not be mocked.

Not my word, God's.

4 posted on 08/11/2003 6:33:49 AM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: sydney smith
I thought that his wife divorced him because of his homosexuality. Who dumped whom? Now whom did his shack up with? Another man? I'm a member of the Episcopal church. I don't like the whole attitude of this church regarding homosexuality. Religion is not about being PC. It is suppose to be a belief system that remains consistent to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. Is homosexuality consistent with those teachings? Were the teachings wrong for 2000 years, and suddenly we have a new revelation of the truth? I suppose many things are possible, but I haven't seen anyone show the biblical argument for it.
6 posted on 08/11/2003 7:14:47 AM PDT by GigaDittos (I can hear the distant whine about wine in France.)
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To: Marcellinus
He, that being often reproved (how about for a generation) hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

We are at the end. 9/11 was a serious wake-up call. It will not be getting better. Expect a bio/nuclear hit soon.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.

7 posted on 08/11/2003 7:25:21 AM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
You know I'm having a good day when I agree with those who beat the doomsday drums. Have recourse to Our Good Lady through the Rosary and hang on tight.
8 posted on 08/11/2003 7:53:36 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark
Have recourse to Our Good Lady through the Rosary and hang on tight.

No offense intended and, I do call her blessed. But, I've gone over her head and I only deal directly with with those at the top. :)

9 posted on 08/11/2003 8:42:05 AM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: sydney smith; ahadams2; missyme; RnMomof7; drstevej; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; ...
For if Robinson is morally qualified to be bishop, then Scripture is wrong. If Scripture is right, Robinson is a reprobate. You cannot teach it both ways. Either homosexual acts are immoral or the Episcopal Church has been teaching homophobia 600 years.

A succinct and well presented argument! Reprobrate .... I like the reasoning behind that.

12 posted on 08/11/2003 3:34:27 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: sydney smith; Canticle_of_Deborah; Desdemona

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13 posted on 08/11/2003 3:48:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks for the laugh after a long, grueling day in the mines.
14 posted on 08/11/2003 4:44:23 PM PDT by sydney smith
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To: third double
The Fifth Glorious Mystery:
The Coronation: Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth;
Queen of angels and saints.
Our Blessed Mother, the most chaste spouse of The Holy
Spirit is not merely a saint, she is the Queen of Saints!
To Jesus through Mary!
15 posted on 08/11/2003 5:27:39 PM PDT by manofmary
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To: Ex-Wretch
You've gone directly over her head....

Imagine what your own mother would say if you indicated in such words that you only deal with Dad.

I wouldn't want to be too near...
16 posted on 08/11/2003 7:13:05 PM PDT by ninenot (Progressives make mistakes. Conservatives don't correct them.--Chesterton)
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To: ninenot; manofmary
You've gone directly over her head....

Imagine what your own mother would say if you indicated in such words that you only deal with Dad.

I wouldn't want to be too near...

To Jesus through Mary!

Again, no offense intended. I'm not trying to start a flame war. However, among all of the "security blankies" that RC's hold onto - this one must be the most offensive and insulting to our Lord. HE humbled Himself, came down from heaven and died for you - so that you could come to HIM directly. Do you think HE cannot multi-task? If you don't think He can hear your prayers - then examine yourself. Usually it's because there is some iniquity that is separating between you and God. Perhaps God sees that what you are asking for will cause your eternal destruction? Or, most often, God will do it but - not yet! He is working a work of patience in you.

I fully understand what's behind the Marian cult. I too was side-tracked into going to her (and all the other saints) earlier in my life. Those who cannot/will not go directly to the only mediator between God and man - Jesus Christ - show themselves to be what they truly are. Unbelievers. Anything that comes between you and God is an idol.

If Mary were here she would agree with me. And, I do call her blessed of all women.

17 posted on 08/12/2003 7:08:12 AM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Marcellinus; NYer
Sorry - forgot to ping you on #17
18 posted on 08/12/2003 7:09:45 AM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
No offense taken--as I hope was demonstrated by my post, supposed to be humorous.

I don't have a problem with intercessors--and I pray to Christ and His Father, too. It's like any strategy--the more fronts you can open, the better off you are.
20 posted on 08/12/2003 10:13:27 AM PDT by ninenot (Progressives make mistakes. Conservatives don't correct them.--Chesterton)
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