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***Whatever Zwingli may or may not have done, it is no defense for Calvin's actions.***
Agreed. But the incessant rehashing of the Servetus death and the silence on Zwingli's complicity in the execution by drowning of the anabaptists (men who were clearly believers) is quite telling.
I think the real hatred for Calvin is his theology not his involvement with Servetus death. Few (including you) express any concern over the thousands of other executions -- yet Calvin is a fixation.
Servetus is not the real issue.
You don't know about Zwingli because you don't care about him. You hate Calvin. You hate what you perceive are the personal implications of Calvinism. Conrad Grebel, George Blaurock, Felix Mantz mean nothing to you. Yet you will spend eternity with these men in heaven and Servetus will be in Hell.
To: drstevej
Agreed. But the incessant rehashing of the Servetus death and the silence on Zwingli's complicity in the execution by drowning of the anabaptists (men who were clearly believers) is quite telling. No one is defending Zwingli's actions or his theology. The same cannot be said about Calvin.
I think the real hatred for Calvin is his theology not his involvement with Servetus death. Few (including you) express any concern over the thousands of other executions -- yet Calvin is a fixation. Calvin was not present at the Synod of Dort. Again, no one is defending others who were responsible for executing others, but no one is elevating their theologies to scriptural or near scriptural status.
Servetus is not the real issue.
Calvin's responsibility for his execution is.
You don't know about Zwingli because you don't care about him. You hate Calvin. You hate what you perceive are the personal implications of Calvinism. Conrad Grebel, George Blaurock, Felix Mantz mean nothing to you. Yet you will spend eternity with these men in heaven and Servetus will be in Hell.
Just what leads you to be so sure that Servetus will be in Hell? For that matter, what makes you so sure that Calvin will be in Heaven. Neither you nor I can judge their salvation status. BTW, I don't hate Calvin, but his actions ought to cause a reasonable person to reconsider just how godly he was and not be so willing to accept everything he wrote just because he wrote it.
To: drstevej
What many here don't seem to realize is that our sin, in the Lord's eyes, is just as bad as Calvin's, Clinton's, Dubya's, Hitler's, Tojo's, Idi Amin's, any Pope, any Baptist preacher, Presbyterian elder, etc, etc.
God will punish all sinners, unless we are saved by Christ. Before bashing Calvin, many here better look inwardly and stop being prideful about the fact they have never burned someone and look at the hatred we have towards other Christians, to include Calvin.
Then go read Matthew 5:27-29 a couple of times.
179 posted on
08/12/2003 9:26:34 AM PDT by
Gamecock
(L=John 6:35-40, Rom 8:32-34, Heb 9:15)
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