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To: drstevej
Not so, I ain't even a 5 pointer.

Not trying to pick a fight, but with which points of TULIP do you agree?

Another question, also asked with a spirit of reconciliation; what do yu make of Palmer's comment that (and I paraphrase) "if any one point is true, they must all be true and if one is false, they must all be false"? Never made sense to me to make such a sweeping comment.

105 posted on 08/10/2003 8:51:48 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
I am an Amyraldian. I do not affirm limited atonement although I concede the logic of the position. Several biblical passages [especially 2 Peter 2:1-2] keep me in the unlimited atonement camp. However, many of the texts unlimited atonement advocates site for their position I find unconvincing (2 Peter 3:9).

As to Palmer's comment.. sounds like he is arguing for a logical consistency (I have not read his comment in context recently).
106 posted on 08/10/2003 8:58:09 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: connectthedots
HEAR A PARABLE of the AMYRALDIAN

A wealthy man buys ten tickets to Hawaii and has his Son pay cash for them. He sends a letter to ten people with a ticket purchased for them and invites them to join him in Hawaii.

He also sends a Special Courier to deliver three of the tickets to a select group of the ten and has the Courier earnestly persuade them to go {His persuasion is irresistable!} The Courier then escorts them onto the plane insuring they get to Hawaii.

The other seven get the letter and the ticket that has been purchased for them, but because they hate the wealthy man [he makes them feel guilty] they refuse to use the ticket. They each think. If I ever go to Hawaii, I'm going MY way. No one is paying my way, especially not That Guy!

The wealthy man, his son and the courier rejoice with the three in Hawaii. The other seven never make it and their tickets, while paid in full, are never used. While the three are in the beauty of Hawaii with the wealthy man a plague strikes the home towns of the seven and they perish.

NOTE: This is an artificially constructed parable to show how the price can be paid in full for those who refuse to receive the gift. The Father's election and the Spirit's persuasion are limited to the elect, yet a ticket purchased by the Son is legitimately extended to all.

Unlimited Atonement yet Limited Attainment
107 posted on 08/10/2003 9:00:31 PM PDT by drstevej
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