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To: fortheDeclaration; drstevej; Dr. Eckleburg; Frumanchu; Wrigley; RnMomof7; xzins
I would advise you to read Calvins statement from his 3rd Book on the subject, since you do not know what Calvin himself admits regarding Calvinism.

And just exactly why would I take the word of an Arminian, one who hates Calvin with an intense hatred, as the final word on the subject?? I have read Calvin, and you apparently have only skimmed, it, looking for things you could quote out of context to villify the man. My primary source is scripture. Sola Scriptura. I read the works of others, but they are all held up against scripture. I have areas where i don't think Calvin was quite right. I have said so before, and shown you before. Your response? You DEFENDED Calvin against me! LOL!!! An Arminian defending Calvin...that's rich! I think the biggest reason you did so, was just to be contrary to me. I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of things you have agreed with me on.

You have a closed mind. It is evidenced by your unremitting refusal to entertain the idea that you could be wrong about Arminius, and your rabid KJV-only-ism. The KJV only thing I don't really care about. It's a juvenile attitude, and one I hope someday you grow out of. But the Arminianism is something I pray sincerely that you wake up and see the distortion of scripture and truth that it entails.

The more I dig into Arminius and Wesley, the more shocked I am at some of the unscriptural attitudes they professed. Some of the modern-day Arminians have taken Wesley and the Remonstrants to their logical conclusion: Open Theism and the like. I am surprised that a Baptist would be associated with such teachings. Most of the Baptists I've associated with are Calvinists. The Methodist Church I grew up in makes me sick, with their Social Gospel, acceptance of unscriptural things, and their totally ineffective witness. I have a cousin-in-law who is a Methodist minister, and he is in total favor of abortion on demand, thinks communism is a good system of government, doesn't see anything wrong with gays getting married or being in clergy, and is about as Leftist as they come regarding terrorism, war, and civil rights. So, you must understand that I have had plenty of exposure to Arminianism and Wesleyism, and I've seen what it leads to, so I reject it out of hand as being unscriptural. It produces nothing but bad, rotten fruit.

99 posted on 08/03/2003 9:04:24 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: nobdysfool
The more I dig into Arminius and Wesley, the more shocked I am at some of the unscriptural attitudes they professed. Some of the modern-day Arminians have taken Wesley and the Remonstrants to their logical conclusion: Open Theism and the like. I am surprised that a Baptist would be associated with such teachings. Most of the Baptists I've associated with are Calvinists. The Methodist Church I grew up in makes me sick, with their Social Gospel, acceptance of unscriptural things, and their totally ineffective witness. I have a cousin-in-law who is a Methodist minister, and he is in total favor of abortion on demand, thinks communism is a good system of government, doesn't see anything wrong with gays getting married or being in clergy, and is about as Leftist as they come regarding terrorism, war, and civil rights. So, you must understand that I have had plenty of exposure to Arminianism and Wesleyism, and I've seen what it leads to, so I reject it out of hand as being unscriptural. It produces nothing but bad, rotten fruit.

More empty rhetoric.

Do you ever supply any facts?

Maybe those are the result of leaving Arminianism rather then the logical results of it.

102 posted on 08/03/2003 3:41:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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