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To: fortheDeclaration; Frumanchu; drstevej; CCWoody; RnMomof7; Jean Chauvin; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins
Calvin himself thought the 'all' men meant all men as does Cunstance!

Funny how you appeal to Calvinists when it suits your purpose, which is to discredit Calvinism. You've been trying to do so for quite a while, and you haven't accomplished it. Why?? Because YOU CAN'T!!!! LOL!!!

I don't care who said what. When I read 2 Peter 3 in context paying attention to whom Peter is speaking and what he is speaking about, it is crystal clear, razor-sharp clear, that he is speaking to and about believers, and ONLY believers. I don't need a theologian to tell me what my own eyes can see, my own mind can comprehend, and what I have learned of English syntax, grammar, and sentence construction. Sorry you can't wrap you mind around that obvious and clear fact due to your spiritual blindness and bias. It's there, if you will open your eyes and mind.

21 posted on 07/30/2003 2:15:39 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: nobdysfool
Calvin himself thought the 'all' men meant all men as does Cunstance! Funny how you appeal to Calvinists when it suits your purpose, which is to discredit Calvinism. You've been trying to do so for quite a while, and you haven't accomplished it. Why?? Because YOU CAN'T!!!! LOL!!!

I appeal to Calvinists because it shows

(1) That Calvinism is inconsistent within itself, disagreeing among 'extreme' and 'moderate' on how to interpret various verses.

(2) The Calvinist is like a Romanist, he will not accept anything that is not written by a Calvinist as being valid.

Thus, like the Romanist, if an article is from a non-Calvinist source, it is just dismissed as being 'Arminian', 'Romanist' 'Pelegian', etc and not 'worthy' to be addressed.

The King James translators knew your mindset when they stated in their preface that those who opposed them would be the Papists and 'certain brethren who do not accept anything unless it is hammered out on their own anvil'

So, I will use Calvinistic sources to show that Calvinism is a mass of inner contradictions and bible twisting, that is rooted in one single premise, God's will and ways are unknowable, not revealed in Scripture (but 'we' Calvinists do know that God only saved those He chose, for no known reason found in scripture)

I don't care who said what. When I read 2 Peter 3 in context paying attention to whom Peter is speaking and what he is speaking about, it is crystal clear, razor-sharp clear, that he is speaking to and about believers, and ONLY believers. I don't need a theologian to tell me what my own eyes can see, my own mind can comprehend, and what I have learned of English syntax, grammar, and sentence construction. Sorry you can't wrap you mind around that obvious and clear fact due to your spiritual blindness and bias. It's there, if you will open your eyes and mind.

And 1Tim.2:4?

Spurgeon said that referred to all men!

Piper admitted that there too many passages that referred to God's love for all of mankind, to be summarily dismissed by the Calvinists.

Hence his article on the 'two wills'.

Now if it were not God's revealed will for all men to be saved, there would be no reason for a 'secret will' as maintained by Calvin, Spurgeon, Boettner, Piper etc.

But I guess you guys are smarter then these guys, who really did not understand Calvinism as well as you do!

23 posted on 07/30/2003 2:35:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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