[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Hey, Bene Gesserit babe... you mind if I segue off of your "Home Page" to set off some Atomics?

I knew you wouldn't mind.

"Gurney, when the storm hits... set off the Atomics. I want an opening through the entire Shield Wall."

"Stilgar? Do we have Worm-Sign?"

"Usul... We have Worm-Sign, the likes of which even God has never seen."

"ATOMICS!!!"

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Now let's get serious, folks. Enough bloviating about the Arminians bloviating. One hyper-speculative, multi-dimensional bloviation's as good as another... hadn't we better Cut to the Chase? (Long Live... The Fighters!!)

At the End of the Day, the Arminians still want to believe that the Unregenerate Man will freely choose to Please God.

That's all that this hypothetical tachyonic college rap-session is about. So why are you Calvinists even entertaining this philosophical horse-puckey?

Let me put this as bluntly as I can:

The Natural Man never, ever Wants to perform any God-pleasing action, including Repentance to the Son; and so, if he acts by Free Will, he never, ever Will perform any God-pleasing action, including Repentance to the Son.

I already laid this out for Marlowe two years ago:

All of the following Scriptures ARE TRUE --

***Romans 3: 10-12, 23 -- As it is written, There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; all have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one.... for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
***Romans 7: 18 -- For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
***Romans 8: 5 - 8 -- For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
***1 Corinthians 2: 14 -- But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

And IF these Scriptures are true, then a natural Man, acting upon Free Will, will:

• NEVER seek God (because No Man naturally seeks God, Romans 3);
• NEVER do good (because the Doing of God is not present in the Wants of his flesh, Romans 7);
• NEVER perform any God-pleasing action whatsoever (Because he never wants to please God, Romans 8); and
• NEVER even understand what he ought to do (because he cannot even understand the idea of doing anything God-pleasing, 1 Corinthians 2).

  These verses SHUT THE DOOR on the idea that a natural Man will ever Will to do any God-pleasing action by FREE WILL. The natural Man never, ever Wants to perform any God-pleasing action; and so if he acts by God's permission, he never, ever Will perform any God-pleasing action.

  When natural Men act by God's PERMISSION, they ONLY PERFORM GOD-OPPOSING ACTIONS. That is all they Want to do, so that is all that they ever Will to do.

This is an iron-clad Law of Scripture. Marlowe was then, as he is now, incapable of denying this Fact.

This is ALL, and ONLY, and ALWAYS, what the Arminian wishes to overthrow -- the fundamental fact that the Unregenerate Man will not choose God unless he is first regenerated.

That is the only thing that they are fighting about. Only the Subversion of the Monergistic Gospel of Jesus Christ. Everything else is pedantic Diversion.

Here, I shall prove it:

P-Marlowe: The UNREGENERATE Fallen Man will, of his own desires, always choose to REJECT GOD. True, or False??

Of course, he cannot choose "True". The fundamental basis of the Arminian conception of Salvation is that the Fallen Man, while still Unregenerate, will sometimes choose Christ. Disguise it with "prevenient grace" and "free will" howsoever you please, this fundamental blasphemy is at the Core of their System: the Unregenerate Man is STILL IN CONTROL.

Let me repeat that -- the Core of Arminianism is the desire to affirm that the Unregenerate Man is STILL IN CONTROL.

This is the Lie of Eden.

This is Arminianism.

And ultimately... this is the root and feeding trough of All Satanism.

Salvation is by the Sovereign Choice of God Alone.

[Cvengr]

Your post seems reasonable.

Thank God we are saved by faith alone and not such reason.

[xzins]

OP,
There is nothing red herringish about the idea of God and time.

As always it is simply a biblical question.

I can't say that I've ever read anyone who studied it.

[RnMomof7]

I already laid this out for Marlowe two years ago:

All of the following Scriptures ARE TRUE --
***Romans 3: 10-12, 23 -- As it is written, There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; all have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one.... for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
***Romans 7: 18 -- For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
***Romans 8: 5 - 8 -- For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
***1 Corinthians 2: 14 -- But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

You probably ned to add some space ships and some hidden mysteries to get through