[xzins]

OP,
There is nothing red herringish about the idea of God and time.

As always it is simply a biblical question.

I can't say that I've ever read anyone who studied it.

[Cvengr]

Probably a relationship between faith and time.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

OP, There is nothing red herringish about the idea of God and time. As always it is simply a biblical question. I can't say that I've ever read anyone who studied it.

I never said that it was a "red herring".

Atomic scientists have, in the most extreme conditions which our particle accelerators are able to create, observed the existence of sub-atomic particles which have been termed "Tachyons" -- particles which appear to exceed the Speed of Light, and whose atomic-decay appears to proceed in reverse compared to the normal measurement of Time.

I never said that was a "red herring".

I said that it is fundamentally irrelevant to the Central Question of Man's Standing before God:

The Natural Man never, ever Wants to perform any God-pleasing action, including Repentance to the Son; and so, if he acts by Free Will, he never, ever Will perform any God-pleasing action, including Repentance to the Son.

At the End of the Day, that is ALL and ONLY what the Arminian is trying to accomplish -- a theological construct in which the unregenerate Fallen Man is STILL IN CONTROL.

• This is what Pelagius sought, with his denial of Original Sin.
• This is what Arminius sought, with his denial of Spriritual Death.
• This is what De Molina and Wesley sought, with their interpolation of "Prevenient Grace".
• And this is what the Arminian "Openness Theologians" of non-compatibilism seek.

The Construction of a Theological System which results in Unregenerate Man being in control of his own Salvation.

As I said, let's Cut to the Chase. Let's stop mucking around.

That, and only that, is all that Marlowe (and yourself, Xzins, though I say this without malice) are aiming for -- a Theological System in which the Unregenerate Man decides his own Salvation.

And that, exactly that, is what Calvinists and the Bible cannot permit you -- Calvinists must affirm the Truth of the Bible:

If he acts by Free Will, the Natural Man never, ever Will perform any God-pleasing action, including Repentance to the Son.

He must be Regenerated FIRST. He must be Born Again in order to Believe.

Everything else is adiaphora.

best, OP