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To: Cvengr; CCWoody; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Frumanchu; drstevej; Dr. Eckleburg; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; ...
Which Calvinist position is it going to be? Faith before regeneration per your order or asking Christ to enter a depraved temple per your recommendation?

As in any biblical discussion, when quoting a source outside yourself, context matters a great deal. You lifted one small paragraph (and not even the whole paragrpah) from a post made earlier on this thread, supposedly to detail an "inconsistency" which you intend to exploit to negate anything I say. The remark which you want to shine a spotlight on was made in the context of attempting to show an unregenerate "New Age" christian (note small 'c') that his goofy New Age ideas about the "christ within us" and that "everyone has a portion of the holy spirit within them because we are all spirit-children of God" was actually non-Christian, heretical, and that he was and is deceived by believing that, lulled into thinking he is OK while he is on his way to hell-fire.

In that light, my statement to him makes perfect sense, and is in accord with the way the Gospel was presented by Paul, Peter, John, and others. Telling him what he must do, is only detailing what God has said. I am not addressing his ability to do so or not. God is the one who will regenerate his heart so he can believe and reveive the true Gospel, if God has chosen him. That's not my call. My call is to present the Gospel.

Cvengr doesn't want the context to be known, because then he wouldn't have anything to bash me with. His whole agenda has been to marginalize me and any other Calvinist who would dare to withstand him, by subtle personal slurs and innuendo, rather than clear refutation (or the attempt at such) of what we have written. The real reason is that he can't refute it, and every time he tries, he digs himself deeper. He knows it, and we know it. Go back and read Post #64 in this thread, and read the posts leading up to it, especially those from the person I was responding to. Get the context of the discussion. I believe you will see that Cvengr has mis-represented me in this, and is actually lying about me, publicly, in an attempt to silence my refutation of his discordant posts.

229 posted on 12/03/2003 5:25:04 AM PST by nobdysfool (All True Christians will be Calvinists in Glory)
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To: nobdysfool
My point to PFKEY when he quoted nobdysfool was to emphasize the error in the phrase, 'invite Christ into your heart' as a method to communicate the Gospel.

The reason why it fails to show the right way is that Christ does not enter the heart until the Holy SPirit performs His ministry in regeneration or giving man a human spirit, wherein the Holy Spirit indwells as a Shekinah Glory providing Christ a temple for His indwelling.

An obvious perspective is that if one seeks perfect righteousness or perfect justice and Perfect Holiness, one doesn't obtain that by intentionally diluting the perfection with unrighteousness.

God in His Perfect Holiness, will not defile Himself. He is immutable.

Salvation from the unregenerate perspective begins with faith on the behalf of the sinner and the action or work of God. The faith on the behalf of the man isn't a work.

Simple faith in God is all that is required for something to exist for the Holy Spirit to lead man out of His present state of degeneracy into being related with the work of Christ for salvation.

231 posted on 12/03/2003 5:49:54 AM PST by Cvengr (0:^))
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