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To: nobdysfool
Perhaps this may help a bit. For the regenerate man who has fallen out of fellowship with God, the solution is confession, repentence from sin and a return to God so He may return to us.

For the unregenerate man, the solution remains the same. Going to God and understanding how one might have a relationship with Him on His terms. That method is provided via the Gospel with faith in the Son and through the sacrifice of the Son, the penalty for sin has been paid en full. To lay claim to those blessings available to the whole world, one must first have faith in God through Christ.

Faith has its merit in the object, not the subject. This faith in Christ is what may be used because it is not a work, but faith alone for God to perform all the work of salvation.

Faith in God by the unregenerate man is made valid by God for salvation.

The following brash statement made from outside any fellowship with God should never blind the man who seeks to have a relationship with God, to have eternal life, to avoid everlasting torment and damnation, or to understand Christianity :

"Even the faith which an unregenerate man possess is not acceptable to God, defiled and tainted as it is by the man's unregenerate nature and condition."(A false statement)

The call is made by the Father. When Christ witnessed and communed with those yet reborn, he did so as to communicate the Gospel and encourage faith. His ministry wasn't wasteful.

I encourage you to read more Scripture with guidance from Him, than from 'Calvinists'. A false religion has been purported by their 'reasoning' which will scar the souls or unregenerate and regenerate alike.

226 posted on 12/02/2003 9:45:55 PM PST by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: Cvengr; CCWoody; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Alex Murphy; drstevej; Dr. Eckleburg; CARepubGal; ...
Faith has its merit in the object, not the subject. This faith in Christ is what may be used because it is not a work, but faith alone for God to perform all the work of salvation.

Faith in God by the unregenerate man is made valid by God for salvation.

The following brash statement made from outside any fellowship with God should never blind the man who seeks to have a relationship with God, to have eternal life, to avoid everlasting torment and damnation, or to understand Christianity :

"Even the faith which an unregenerate man possess is not acceptable to God, defiled and tainted as it is by the man's unregenerate nature and condition."(A false statement)

Where does the faith originate from? If it originates within the unregenerate man, how can it not be tainted with the sin that taints him? Or are you saying that a polluted well can bring forth pure water? What is it about faith that would be any different from anything else which comes from the heart of a sinful, unregenerate man? It doesn't matter whether or not faith is a work. the origination of the faith has much to do with it's worth and fitness. The idea that a sinful, unregenerate man would spontaneously conceive to believe in God in anything approaching a salvific way is against all that scripture says untregenerate man is, and what he does. This is where your construct breaks down. You cannot produce any support for this idea... What you call a false statement is actually a true statement. It is your statement that is false.

Your constant inferrence that a Calvinist is -defacto- "out of fellowship" with God is getting quite tiresome. That is your personal opinion, and is not shared by any othetr person on this board that I am aware of. You have not, and cannot, produce one shred of evidence to support it, nor have you. You just continually throw it out there as a backdrop and justification for your wacky posts. It is the Arminian/Semi-Pelagian/Pelagian/Molinist view that is out of fellowship with God, and dissonant to His Word. It is that frame of reference that you speak from, and the discord you produce is quite annoying to those of us who do know the Word, and can rightly divide it.

228 posted on 12/03/2003 5:02:47 AM PST by nobdysfool (All True Christians will be Calvinists in Glory)
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