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What I can't get around is that, at a minimum, they HAD to be simultaneous, and if anything, God knew what He was going to decide BEFORE He did it. He absolutely had to know in concert with what He was deciding. I agree but I see that as a rather Calvinist position . The time of the election was before the man could have done anything good or evil. So God had to make the decision before or at the time of creation. That rules out an election based on mans choice of God.. God first had his plan and then He placed the elect and the non elect in position to bring that plan to pass. God does not respond to the acts of men , but rather the acts of men are ordained of God for His purposes. I think of this scripture Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have [sufficient] to finish [it]? What scripture does tell us is that God chose according to His own pleasure a remnant of men for His glory, not because the man made the correct choice..but rather that the man would be a tool in the hand of God