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To: rogator
How do you know that the Novus Ordo is much closer to the early celebration of Christ's Eucharist than Trent was?

Read the Didache, and Justin, Martyr.

146 posted on 07/17/2003 6:59:57 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur

Fr. Fessio, not genearlly supportive of the old rite, said there is no evidence that the early churches used the "versus populaum" (facing the people) during the liturgy. While some "scholars" have tried to claim otherwise, their "evidence" is quite thin, the same kind of "evidence" that womens ordination advocates use for females in the priesthood.

The Roman Rite cleaned of the Galacian influences will still more resmble the rite of Paul V than it would resmble the most common applications of the normative missal.

149 posted on 07/17/2003 7:11:55 PM PDT by JNB
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To: sinkspur

Just read the Didache. Here is the section concerning the Eucharist.

Chapter 9. The Eucharist. Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup:

We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever..

And concerning the broken bread:
We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever..

But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, "Give not that which is holy to the dogs."


Note this does not mention anything in the way of rubrics, and note the very last line "Give not that which is holy to the dogs", is certainly nothing you hear in todays normative mass.

One great thing about the net, it has liberated information, its ashame that information was not as liberated 35 years ago, and most of tje litirgical abuses and changes would have been prevented when people say "Its a return to the early church".

153 posted on 07/17/2003 7:25:24 PM PDT by JNB
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