[Pyro7480]

I didn't use the phrase "the camp." American colleen did. The only "lumping" in that I do is that all three groups that I name - SSPX, SSPV, and the sedevacantists - are three groups that I am wary of. I have separate issues with each, some of which are similiar. They are not "all the same," in my view. They obviously have their own distinctive viewpoint from the others.

[ultima ratio]

Of course you are "wary" of SSPX. There has been this steady drip-drip-drip of negative propaganda for decades. Some anonymous person writes about sedevacantism and EWTN uses it as a pretext for still another put-down--and you use it as a pretext for another amusing dust-up while spreading the same old lies. Nevertheless I will surprise you by saying I sympathize with SSPV--because they are closer to the truth than the offensive Novus Ordo and therefore closer than modernist Rome itself. This is because Rome supports a Mass that is in flagrant violation of the Council of Trent and this has created an impossible situation where knowledgeable Catholics must choose between Rome and the faith itself. I hardly blame sedevacantists for over-reacting in such a situation.

Look at the dilemma: if Trent was mistaken--then it's all been a sham and we all might as well stay home on Sunday. Conscientious Catholics are presented with no choice but to accept Trent--or lose their faith altogether. After 2000 years the Church just can't say--oops, sorry, we got it all wrong, we're turning everything around and every anathema and dogmatic proclamation from the past is no longer operative. That's an impossible posture for an infallible Church--and Rome knows it--just as it has known for decades that the Novus Ordo is a huge mistake and violates Catholic Tradition and doctrine. Yet it will not be honest and resolve the dilemma in a straightforward way. It wants to lie its way out of its inconsistencies. So the persecutions continue.