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Are young Catholics Cultural Orphans?
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| July 10, 2003
| Joanna Bogle
Posted on 07/10/2003 5:17:05 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: american colleen
I once heard a priest say from the pulpit that he told people he was "Christian" instead of Catholic. Needless to say, I did all I could to avoid Mass there with my family.
well, we do some of those things in the article, but I don't feel as if my kids are where I was at their age. (My parents did their duty, but there was no attempt to make our Catholicism a special vocation.)
Well, the idea is not to give up!
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posted on
07/10/2003 12:08:15 PM PDT
by
attagirl
To: Desdemona
Let's see, what do I remember?
May Crowning of Mary
Blessing oneself when passing a Catholic Church.
Automatically bowing the head at the name of Jesus.
Saying a prayer when you heard an ambulance or firetuck go by.
Saying the prayer "Night is falling Dear Mother" at bedtime.
Monday novenas.
Sunday evening Benediction.
The beautiful mantillas worn to church.
Holy Saturday visitation of other Catholic Churches in the area.
Corpus Christi processions.
And I'm sure I've neglected to mention many traditions of Catholic Culture long forgotten. We have lost so much!
To: Desdemona
was that ping from you or my conscience?
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posted on
07/10/2003 12:09:16 PM PDT
by
attagirl
To: attagirl
was that ping from you or my conscience?
I'm not sure.
To: k omalley
Blessing oneself when passing a Catholic Church. We used to mark a small cross on our foreheads with the right thumb.
I also used to love "making a visit" -- dropping into a church just because you happened to be passing by, and lighting a candle and saying a prayer. But I think the unlocked churches, not to mention the banks of candles, were wiped out by liability concerns.
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posted on
07/10/2003 12:28:34 PM PDT
by
maryz
To: Desdemona
How are we supposed to live our faith if no one teaches it to us? Even worse, parents today who were never taught have nothing to pass on to their own kids. That's one more reason younger families are returning to the traditional ways.
To: Desdemona; sinkspur
One word applies here: demographics.
Due to that evil, vicious, capitalist, anti poor, anti minority, environment raping, infrastructure taxing sprawl, people moved out of their ethnic and coreligionist enclaves for places with more room. In the process, they mingled with everyone else, and as a result, don't have the same kind of peer pressure on ethnic and religious traditions - and only those families interested in retaining certain traditions will pass them down to their children.
Absent contraction back to denser population patterns, this will not be changed - the population is too mixed, and people like the convenience of doing things close to home.
To: Bigg Red
But why the breakdown of the family? That too is part of the cultural collapse of Catholicism.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Four words: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Because tradition has nothing to do with the enclaves. It has to do with human will. The couple generations before us decided to ruin tradition and deprived us of it.
To: Desdemona
Your topic applies across the board in all faiths, believe it or not. It is not a solely Catholic lament, and I was honestly speaking of why this has come about.
To: maryz; Desdemona; St.Chuck
Catholic culture survives intact only among traditional Catholics and their small communities. Some conservative parishes keep some customs alive--but they are slowly being phased-out.
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To: Desdemona
Do you realize that older congregations in urban areas of all faiths have similar complaints and issues on their little "t" traditions? This is something which afflicts conservative Jewish congregations Orthodox Christian parishes, the more ethnic Lutheran churches, traditional Anglicans, etc.
To: Marcellinus
The church is open from 6AM to past 5PM every day, and there is almost always someone at all times who has stopped by to say-and-pray a word to Jesus. Where do you live? I haven't seen an open neighborhood church around Boston in years (the downtown Arch Street Chapel doesn't count here -- it is open, but the candles to be lit by tapers are now electric, and you push a button).
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:04:13 PM PDT
by
maryz
To: ultima ratio
Some conservative parishes keep some customs alive--but they are slowly being phased-out.
Actually, where I live the older customs are coming back. They're done sometimes as a "novelty" and the organizers are always stunned at how well populated they are. Just the Corpus Christi procession this year at the Cathedral was a complete shock to the people who did it. There were at least a couple thousand people there, most not from that parish.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
And I honestly reply that the whole urban sprawl argument is a bit of an excuse. This came about more due to lack of will among the faithful in passing it on, than a population density problem. THe most devout chunck of my family were the ones who were farmers and lived in a rural area. I don't buy it anymore.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Absent contraction back to denser population patterns, this will not be changed Where I live is as densely populated as ever -- the unfortunate change is from working class to yuppification, which has steadily been forcing the working class out.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:06:51 PM PDT
by
maryz
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
I can't disagree with anything you said. It is very sad, indeed.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:08:38 PM PDT
by
Bigg Red
(Bush/Cheney in '04 and Tommy Daschole out the door)
To: maryz; american colleen
You must be real old ;-)
Yes, at least as old as I am. That description sounds very much like my elementary school experience.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:14:10 PM PDT
by
Bigg Red
(Bush/Cheney in '04 and Tommy Daschole out the door)
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