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Texas Pastor Removed Over Latin Masses
Seattle Catholic ^ | July 4, 2003 | Peter Miller

Posted on 07/04/2003 9:27:18 PM PDT by Land of the Irish

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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Unfortunately, the father was disobedient to his rotten, stinking, diabolical, filthy, disgusting, Amchurch bishop. Two wrongs do not make a right.

What a horrible situation.
101 posted on 07/05/2003 4:24:08 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: cpforlife.org

62 Reasons Why...
In Conscience, We Cannot Attend the New Mass

Compiled by the priests of the diocese of

CAMPOS, BRAZIL

The
Traditional Mass
The
New Mass
2,000 years of venerable usage
Tried and True
Fabricated in 1969
Experimental
Clearly a Sacrifice
An Altar, A Priest
Clearly a Meal
A Table
Centered on God
Structured for reverence
Centered on Man
Loose structure invites abuses
Completely Catholic
One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic
Half Protestant
Lacks all Four Marks
Codified at Council of Trent
By a Pope Saint
(Pope St. Pius V)
Contrived
For approval of six
Protestant ministers
Fruitful!
Multitudes of saints, martyrs,
religious vocations!
Barren!
Empty seminaries, decreased
Mass attendance, massive defections!
TRADITIONAL MASS

Never Abrogated by Holy Mother Church!

The New Mass

An Experiment That Failed!


 Note: all quotes followed by an asterix "*" are from the Letter of Cardinals A. Ottaviani and A. Bacci to Pope Paul VI, dated September 25,
1969 enclosing "
A Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae."

1. Because the New Mass is not an unequivocal Profession of the Catholic Faith (which the traditional Mass is), it is ambiguous and Protestant. Therefore since we pray as we believe, it follows that we cannot pray with the New Mass in Protestant Fashion and still believe as Catholics!

2. Because the changes were not just slight ones but actually "deal with a fundamental renovation ... a total change ... a new creation." (Msgr. A. Bugnini, co-author of the New Mass)

3. Because the New Mass leads us to think "that truths ... can be changed or ignored without infidelity to that sacred deposit of doctrine to which the Catholic Faith is bound forever." *

4. Because the New Mass represents "a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as formulated in Session XXII of the Council of Trent" which, in fixing the "canons," provided an "insurmountable barrier to any heresy against the integrity of the Mystery." *

5. Because the difference between the two is not simply one of mere detail or just modification of ceremony, but "all that is of perennial value finds only a minor place (in the New Mass), if it subsists at all." *

6. Because "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment in the faithful who already show signs of uneasiness and lessening of Faith." *

7. Because in times of confusion such as now, we are guided by the words of our Lord: "By their fruits you shall know them." Fruits of the New Mass are: 30% decrease in Sunday Mass attendance in U.S. (NY Times 5/24/75), 43% decrease in France (Cardinal Marty), 50% decrease in Holland (NY Times 1/5/76).

8. Because "amongst the best of the clergy the practical result (of the New Mass) is an agonizing crisis of conscience..." *

9. Because in less than seven years after the introduction of the New Mass, priests in the world decreased from 413,438 to 243,307 -- almost 50%! (Holy See Statistics)

10. Because "The pastoral reasons adduced to support such a grave break with tradition ... do not seem to us sufficient." *

11. Because the New Mass does not manifest Faith in the Real Presence of our Lord -- the Traditional Mass manifests it unmistakably.

12. Because the New Mass confuses the REAL Presence of Christ in the Eucharist with His MYSTICAL Presence among us (proximating Protestant doctrine).

13. Because the New Mass blurs what ought to be a sharp difference between the HIERARCHIC Priesthood and the common priesthood of the people (as does Protestantism).

14. Because the New Mass favors the heretical theory that it is THE FAITH of the people and not THE WORDS OF THE PRIEST which makes Christ present in the Eucharist.

15. Because the insertion of the Lutheran :"Prayer of the Faithful" in the New Mass follows and puts forth the Protestant error that all the people are priests.

16. Because the New Mass does away with the Confiteor of the priest, makes it collective with the people, thus promoting Luther's refusal to accept the Catholic teaching that the priest is judge, witness and intercessor with God.

17. Because the New Mass gives us to understand that the people concelebrate with the priest -- which is against Catholic theology!

18. Because six Protestant ministers collaborated in making up the New Mass: George, Jasper, Shepherd, Kunneth, Smith and Thurian.

19. Because just as Luther did away with the Offertory -- since it very clearly expressed the sacrificial, propitiatory character of the Mass -- so also the inventors of the New Mass did away with it, reducing it to a simple Preparation of the Gifts.

20. Because enough Catholic theology has been removed that Protestants can, while keeping their antipathy for the True Roman Catholic Church, use the text of the New Mass without difficulty. Protestant Minister Thurian (co-consulter for the 'New Mass' project) said that a fruit of the New mass "will perhaps be that the non-Catholic communities will be ale to celebrate the Lord's Supper using the same prayers as the Catholic Church." (La Croix 4/30/69)

21. Because the narrative manner of the Consecration in the New Mass infers that it is only a memorial and not a true sacrifice (Protestant Thesis)

22. Because by grave omissions, the New Mass leads us to believe that it is only a meal (Protestant doctrine) and not a sacrifice for the remission of sins (Catholic Doctrine).

23. Because the changes such as: table instead of altar; facing people instead of tabernacle; Communion in the hand, etc., emphasize Protestant doctrines (e.g., Mass is only a meal; priest only a president of the assembly; Eucharist is NOT the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, but merely a piece of bread, etc.)

24. Because Protestants themselves have said "the new Catholic Eucharistic prayers have abandoned the false (sic) perspective of sacrifice offered to God." (La Croix 12/10/69)

25. Because we are faced with the dilemma: either we become Protestantized by worshipping with the New Mass, or else we preserve our Catholic Faith by adhering faithfully to the traditional Mass, the "Mass of All Time."

26. Because the New Mass was made in accordance with the Protestant definition of the Mass: "The Lord's Supper or Mass is a sacred synaxis or assembly of the people of God which gathers together under the presidence of the priest to celebrate the memorial of the Lord." (Par. 7 Intro. to the New Missal, defining the New Mass, 4/6/69)

27. Because by means of ambiguity, the New Mass pretends to please Catholics while pleasing Protestants; thus it is "double-tongued" and offensive to God who abhors any kind of hypocrisy: "Cursed be ... the double-tongued for they destroy the peace of many." (Sirach 28:13)

28. Because beautiful, familiar Catholic hymns which have inspired people for centuries, have been thrown out and replaced with new hymns strongly Protestant in sentiment, further deepening the already distinct impression that one is no longer attending a Catholic function.

29. Because the New Mass contains ambiguities subtly favoring heresy, which is more dangerous than if it were clearly heretical since a half-heresy half resembles the Truth!

30. Because Christ has only one Spouse, the Catholic Church, and her worship service cannot also serve religions that are at enmity with her.

31. Because the New Mass follows the format of Cranmer's heretical Anglican Mass, and the methods used to promote it follow precisely the methods of the English heretics.

32. Because Holy Mother Church canonized numerous English Martyrs who were killed because they refused to participate in a Mass such as the New Mass!

33. Because Protestants who once converted to Catholicism are scandalized t to see that the New Mass is the same as the one they attended as Protestants. One of them, Julien Green, asks: "Why did we convert?"

34. Because statistics show a great decrease in conversions to Catholicism following the use of the New Mass. Conversions, which were up to 100,000 a year in the U.S., have decreased to less than 10,000! And the number of people leaving the Church far exceeds those coming in.

35. Because the Traditional Mass has forged many saints. "Innumerable saints have been fed abundantly with the proper piety towards God by it ..." (Pope Paul VI, Const. Apost. Missale Romanum)

36. Because the nature of the New Mass is such as to facilitate profanations of the Holy Eucharist, which occur with a frequency unheard of with the Traditional Mass.

37. Because the New Mass, despite appearances, conveys a New Faith, not the Catholic Faith. It conveys Modernism and follows exactly the tactics of Modernism, using vague terminology in order to insinuate and advance error.

38. Because by introducing optional variations, the New Mass undermines the unity of the liturgy, with each priest liable to deviate as he fancies under the guise of creativity. Disorder inevitably results, accompanied by lack of respect and irreverence.

39. Because many good Catholic theologians, canonists and priests do not accept the New Mass, and affirm that they are unable to celebrate it in good conscience.

40. Because the New Mass has eliminated such things as: genuflections (only three remain), purification of the priests fingers in the chalice, preservation from all profane contact of priest's fingers after Consecration, sacred altar stone and relics, three altar clothes (reduced to one), all of which "only serve to emphasize how outrageously faith in the dogma of the Real Presence is implicitly repudiated." *

41. Because the traditional Mass, enriched and matured by centuries of Sacred Tradition, was codified (not invented) by a Pope who was a saint, Pius V; whereas the New Mass was artificially fabricated by six Protestant ministers and a 33rd degree Freemason, i.e., Msgr. A Bugnini who was later exiled from the Vatican because of his ties with Freemasonry.

42. Because the errors of the New Mass which are accentuated in the vernacular version are even present in the Latin text of the New Mass.

43. Because the New Mass, with its ambiguity and permissiveness, exposes us to the wrath of God by facilitating the risk of invalid consecrations: "Will priests of the near future who have not received the traditional formation, and who rely on the Novus Ordo Missae with the intention of 'doing what the Church does,' consecrate validly? One may be allowed to doubt it!" *

44. Because the abolition of the Traditional Mass recalls the prophecy of Daniel 8:12: "And he was given power against the perpetual sacrifice because of the sins of the people" and the observation of St. Alphonsus de Liguori that because the Mass is the best and most beautiful thing which exists in the Church here below, the devil has always tried by means of heretics to deprive us of it.

45. Because in places where the Traditional Mass is preserved, the Faith and fervor of the people are greater. Whereas the opposite is true where the New Mass reigns (Report on the Mass, Diocese of Campos, ROMA, Buenos Aires #69, 8/81)

46. Because along with the New Mass goes also a new catechism, a new morality, new prayers, new Code of Canon law, new calendar, -- in a word, a NEW CHURCH, a complete revolution from the old. "The liturgical reform ... do not be deceived, this is where the revolution begins." (Msgr. Dwyer, Archbishop of Birmingham, spokesman of Episcopal Synod)

47. Because the intrinsic beauty of the Traditional Mass attracts souls by itself; whereas the New Mass, lacking any attractiveness of its own, has to invent novelties and entertainments in order to appeal to the people.

48. Because the New mass embodies numerous errors condemned by Pope St. Pius V at the Council of Trent (Mass totally in vernacular, words of Consecration spoken aloud, etc. See Condemnation of Jansenist Synod of Pistia), and errors condemned by Pope Pius XII (e.g., altar in form of table. See Mediator Dei).

49. Because the New Mass attempts to transform the Catholic Church into a new, ecumenical church embracing all ideologies and all religions -- right and wrong, truth and error -- a goal long dreamt of by the enemies of the Catholic Church.

50. Because the New Mass, in removing the salutations and final blessing when the priest celebrates alone, shows a denial of, and disbelief in the dogma of the Communion of Saints.

51. Because the altar and tabernacle are now separated, thus marking a division between Christ in His priest-and-Sacrifice-on-the-altar, from Christ in His Real Presence in the tabernacle, "two things which of their very nature, must remain together." (Pius XII)

52. Because the New Mass no longer constitutes a vertical worship between God and man, but rather a horizontal worship between man and man.

53. Because the New Mass, although appearing to conform to the dispositions of Vatican Council II, in reality opposes its instructions, since the Council itself declared its desire to conserve and promote the Traditional Rite.

54. Because the Traditional Latin Mass of Pope St. Pius V has never been legally abrogated and therefore remains a true rite of the Roman Catholic Church by which the faithful may fulfill their Sunday obligation.

55. Because Pope St. Pius V granted a perpetual indult, valid "for always," to celebrate the Traditional Mass freely, licitly, without scruple of conscience, punishment, sentence or censure (Papal Bull "Quo Primum")

56. Because Pope Paul VI, when promulgating the New Mass, himself declared. "The rite ... by itself is NOT a dogmatic definition ..." (11/19/69)

57. Because Pope Paul VI, when asked by Cardinal Heenan of England, if he was abrogating or prohibiting the Tridentine Mass, answered: "It is not our intention to prohibit absolutely the Tridentine Mass."

58. Because "In the Libera Nos of the New Mass, the Blessed Virgin, the Apostles and all the Saints are no longer mentioned; her and their intercession thus no longer asked, even in time of peril." *

59. Because in none of the tree new Eucharistic Prayers (of the New Mass) is there any reference ... to the state of suffering of those who have died, in none the possibility of a particular Memento, thus undermining faith in the redemptive nature of the Sacrifice.*

60. Because we recognize the Holy Father's supreme authority in his universal government of Holy Mother Church, but we know that even this authority cannot impose upon us a practice which is so CLEARLY against the Faith: a Mass that is equivocal and favoring heresy and therefore disagreeable to God.

61. Because, as stated in Vatican Council I, the "Holy Spirit was not promised to the successors of Peter, that by His revelation they might make new doctrine, but that by His assistance they might inviolably keep and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of Faith delivered through the Apostles." (Dnz 3070)

62. Because heresy, or whatever clearly favors heresy, cannot be a matter for obedience. Obedience is at the service of Faith and not Faith at the service of obedience! In this foregoing case then, "One must obey God before men." (Acts 5:29) 

 * Letter of Cardinals A. Ottaviani and A. Bacci to Pope Paul VI A Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae."




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102 posted on 07/05/2003 4:49:53 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Thorondir
***But now you are starting to gain my support. My world is crumbling. Drat!***


LOL. Inch by inch step by step. Rome isn't rebuilt in a day (it'll take a month).
103 posted on 07/05/2003 4:54:38 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: sitetest
I'm not sure how to respond to a couple things you have to say. I did say that it would have been better if he had notified a few people that they're services were not needed. Frankly, I would rather see bold moves like this than listing along and things just not getting any better and having to "discuss" everything. All the infighting gets old. The last parish I actually belonged to did nothing BUT fight each other.

Truthfully, I never know quite what to expect when I get to Mass, so that wouldn't bother me. I am always dressed UP for church on Sunday. Always. So, that would not be a problem, but then I'm always dressed up anyway (it's a habit I have) unless I'm in my flowerbeds.

As far as musicians are concerned, in my last parish choir, I was the only one who did that and made an effort to make all rehearsals. Catholic guitar music people are notorious for being slap-dash about their "ministry." So, please don't read too much into my actions, at least not in a universal sense. I knew all the parts by heart because so many people missed rehearsals that parts had to be relearned every week. I'd take 15 minutes during practice sessions to go over things on my own. As I researse minimum 5 times a week, that adds up.

Everyone has their own opinion and I'm entitled to mine and I think a little shock action doesn't hurt from time to time. As far as disobedience to the bishop, on occasion, especially with the souls of the flock in mind, it might be warranted.
104 posted on 07/05/2003 4:54:48 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: cpforlife.org
August 1978, Volume I, Number 8



by Reverend Brian Buckley



Courtesy of "The Courier-Mail", Queensland (Australia)

As the "dissident Priest" referred to in your article "Latin Masses held secretly in home" (C-M, September 1), I wish to state briefly why I say only the supposedly banned Latin Tridentine Mass and not the New Mass in English.

The language, English or Latin, really has little do with it!

Before I was ordained a Priest in 1948, I took an oath, as did all Priests up till 1967, to be loyal to "all the doctrines handed down, defined and explained by the sacred canons and ecumenical councils, and especially those of the most holy Council of Trent." The Tridentine Mass was the Mass ordered by the Council of Trent. It was guaranteed valid by Pope St. Pius V. And every priest of the Latin Rite in perpetuity was ordered by the Bull Quo Primum "by virtue of Our Apostolic Authority," never to use a different rite of Mass-precisely to keep out of the Mass for all time any heresy or error in doctrine such as had been condemned by the Council of Trent.

"At no time in the future can a Priest, whether secular or religious, ever be coerced into using any other way of saying Mass. And so as to preclude once and for all any scruples of conscience and fear of ecclesiastical penalties and censures, we hereby declare that it is in virtue of Our Apostolic Authority that we decree and enjoin that this our present order and decree is to last in perpetuity, and can never be legally revoked or amended at some future date." (From the Bull Quo Primum, July 14, 1570.)

What stronger language could the Church use to make certain that I remain loyal to the Mass for which I was ordained, and which I am directed and privileged to say. If I could honestly evade that direction, to which as I've said I bound myself by oath, I would still have several reasons why I could not say the New Mass in English-not, that is, in conscience.

The New Mass or Novus Ordo was examined in detail by a group of Catholic theologians in Rome in 1969. On their behalf Cardinal Ottaviani wrote to Pope Paul VI condemning it on 27 counts as being simply not a Catholic Mass: "It teems with insinuations or manifest errors against the integrity of the Catholic religion. It has no intention of presenting the Faith as taught by the Council of Trent, to which nonetheless the Catholic conscience is bound forever. It will thoroughly please all those groups on the verge of apostasy, who have been at work ravaging the Church, corrupting its organism, and assaulting its doctrinal, liturgical, moral and disciplinary unity, in a period of spiritual crisis that is without precedent."

In spite of this condemnation, Pope Paul allowed the New Mass to replace the certainly valid Catholic age-old Sacrifice of the Mass! Are we to believe that the approval of a Pope can change heresy into orthodoxy? This has never been Catholic teaching.

Non-Catholic theologians in their turn satisfied themselves that it (the New Mass) is no longer the Mass of former times. Dr. Max Thurian of Taize Lutheran Center in France, as quoted in "LaCroix" of May 30, 1969, said: "It is now theologically possible for Protestants to use the same Mass as Catholics." It is a fact that Protestants in England do use the New Mass as their own service. As reported in the English "Catholic Herald" of December 15,1972, the then Anglican Bishop of Southwark (Dr. M. Stock-wood) stated on several occasions that he greatly admired the New Mass and used it himself. He has also con-celebrated Mass with Catholic Priests when travelling on the continent.

So non-Catholics are satisfied there has been an essential change in the Mass. They have good reason for so thinking. When the New Mass was being composed in Rome in 1967, six Protestant clergymen, by invitation of Pope Paul, took an active part in it. One of them was the above-mentioned Dr. Max Thurian.

So we can see why he made the statement he did! He knew at first-hand!

Even if I could somehow get a-round those objections to saying the New Mass, I would be in trouble when I

actually came to say it. Because I know that I would deliberately have to go along with falsifying Christ's words in the Consecration of the Mass. In the New Mass in English, Christ is made to say that His Blood would be shed "for you and for all men."

Any Bible, Catholic or Protestant, will tell you that His words were "for you and for many." It may seem only a small thing, the change of just one word. Actually, it changes Christ's whole meaning, as theologians have proved and as the Council of Trent (again!) stated!

Anyway, it's a forgery, to be found nowhere but in the New Mass in the vernacular. So again I'm stopped from using the New Mass, if I've any sort of conscience at all.

Of course, like most Priests, I was "conned" for years into accepting the New Mass-until I got the above information which has been carefully not brought to general notice. Such secrecy surely has something to hide, but why, if it's really the Church acting? It's just not the Catholic way.

Anyway, has the "old Latin Mass" the Tridentine Mass, be banned? Certainly not by Pope Paul. In the offical document promulgating the New Mass, there is not one legal phrase making the new Rite compulsory or forbidding the old Latin Mass.

And in December, 1971, writing to the late Cardinal Heenan, the Pope said he would not forbid the use of the Tridentine Roman Missal. So if the bishops have banned it, they have apparently gone over the head of the Pope.

Finally, if I am a dissident Priest, a "rebel", then I am only rebelling against those who are, in fact if not in intention, themselves rebels. Rebels against the oath they took to protect the Catholic Faith whose center is the Mass which they have now put out of their lives.

I am not ashamed to be my kind of rebel!





Father Buckley left his parish after refusing to give a statement to his Bishop that he would not say the Mass in Latin.
105 posted on 07/05/2003 4:57:58 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: drstevej
It will take God's Grace. :)
106 posted on 07/05/2003 4:58:44 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Desdemona
"As far as disobedience to the bishop, on occasion, especially with the souls of the flock in mind, it might be warranted."

Amen.
107 posted on 07/05/2003 5:00:19 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
God's Grace and a great Inquisitional staff!
108 posted on 07/05/2003 5:05:02 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Volunteers ought not be hard to find, nor fuel for the fire. Hell would be paved just that much faster.
109 posted on 07/05/2003 5:12:34 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Desdemona
It might have been better if Father Z had offered one Tridentine Mass and had allowed the N.O. crowd to continue with their Mass. However, even if he had done it that way I have no doubt that he would have been kicked out. I have to side with him. Fiorenza has revealed himself.
110 posted on 07/05/2003 5:14:00 PM PDT by k omalley
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To: k omalley
I am as puzzled as you by the reaction of many of our bishops to the Tridentine Mass, like it is horrifying, something to be hidden in the back room.

The MAJORITY of Catholic Bushops in America have either engaged in sexual misconduct, or the coverup thereof. The infiltration of the Seminaries over the last 100 years by perverts and enemies of the Church has borne fruit (please forgive the phrase) and they HATE the True Mass with a passion. Why? Because it is destructive to evil, because it IS the Lord in Person on the Altar.

111 posted on 07/05/2003 5:15:50 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: k omalley
Those criticizing him do also. They will tell you that Traditional Catholics ought to accept the NO Mass because of the Real Presence on the Altar, and yet faced with the reciprocal they squeal about how people were "unprepared". For what? Our Lord? Turning the tables reveals the fairness involved. If it is fair to exclude the Tridentine, then it is equally fair to exclude the NO Mass. Either way, the Modernists would claim, the True Presence is the issue. BUT, when faced with the True Presence, the Bishop tries to have the validly ordained priest shut up in a nut house. The Smell of Satan hangs about this case.
112 posted on 07/05/2003 5:19:48 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: ultima ratio
The Society of St. Pius V.

SOME Orders don't ask permission because they are more Catholic than the Pope.

Others, who understand authority, get permission.

Put your shoes on. They fit.
113 posted on 07/05/2003 5:30:37 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: narses; k omalley
Not only over this case. The whole history of the past forty years makes no sense except as a great moral disaster.
114 posted on 07/05/2003 5:31:49 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Desdemona
Since when is it a Catholic posture to act like a spoiled brat?

You obviously never met Rembert Weakland

115 posted on 07/05/2003 5:33:14 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: narses
"The smell of Satan hangs about this case."

I guess that is why I find this whole situation particularly troubling and chilling. And Father Z is a courageous priest. I'm sure he knew what would happen as a result of his actions. Too bad that celebrating the Tridentine Mass is a worse offense than pederasty, sodomy, or heresy.
116 posted on 07/05/2003 5:35:14 PM PDT by k omalley
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To: cpforlife.org
While a tree is known for its fruit, it's also just as true that "The sun rose today in California, followed by severe windstorms in Philadelphia."

There's a serious temptation to blame all ills on the Novus Ordo--which temptation makes fools of those who do so.

There might be a few other factors--rampant materialism, faithless Bishops and priests, luxurious lifestyles (in comparison with the 1940's)---but don't think about those things.
117 posted on 07/05/2003 5:36:31 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: sinkspur
In addition, the SSPX has already said it will not return under the auspices of a separate "rite." It believes that such would convey a second-class status on the "true" Latin Rite liturgy.

In that case, screw 'em.

And it sort of fits with what we already know from UltRatio--doesn't it?

118 posted on 07/05/2003 5:38:15 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
I doubt Bishop Bruskewitz is building any seminary for SSPV as you claim--since they are sedevacantist. That is to say, they are convinced the Pope is a heretic. You need to do your homework on traditionalists. Bruskewitz has given the okay only to FSSP--an indult fraternity.
119 posted on 07/05/2003 5:38:54 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: sinkspur
Now, he'll be lucky to ever work in Houston again

You call it "luck" to work for Fiorenza the Terrible, Lord of Committments?

120 posted on 07/05/2003 5:40:59 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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