[ninenot]

While a tree is known for its fruit, it's also just as true that "The sun rose today in California, followed by severe windstorms in Philadelphia."

There's a serious temptation to blame all ills on the Novus Ordo--which temptation makes fools of those who do so.

There might be a few other factors--rampant materialism, faithless Bishops and priests, luxurious lifestyles (in comparison with the 1940's)---but don't think about those things.

[ultima ratio]

No the rampant fools are the people who claim on the one hand that the Second Vatican Council was the biggest event in modern Church history, the biggest thing since the Pentecost in fact--and yet on the other hand had NOTHING to do with the forty years that followed, a time of unrelenting disaster for the Church. You want it both ways--but it won't wash. OF COURSE Vatican II had something to do with what followed abruptly.

As for other factors--give me a break. There are ALWAYS other factors. The fall of the Roman Empire was another factor, the rise of Islam was another factor, the French Revolution was another factor, the two World Wars were other factors. All during these times the Church turned to its ancient Mass for solace and spiritual nourishment. Only in the nineteen-sixties, after almost two thousand years--did the modernists seize their chance. They took it to declare a revolution--and it's been downhill ever since.

[cpforlife.org]

"There's a serious temptation to blame all ills on the Novus Ordo--which temptation makes fools of those who do so." You are correct. Those with such a temptation should pray and learn.

There might be a few other factors--rampant materialism, faithless Bishops and priests, luxurious lifestyles (in comparison with the 1940's)---but don't think about those things. Again, I agree. There are of course many factors.