The Hebrew View of the Law/Torah and Salvation

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[stranger and pilgrim]

>>You refered me to Revelation, and I will suggest you take a good look at Revelation. The churches are admonished and told to REPENT! <<

Revelation is symbolic. The seven churches in chapter 2 and 3 are not actual "churches" as we think of them but rather the spirits within our own mind that need to be brought up to a deeper depth.

But, yes, they are told to repent. Does Israel need no repentence? If you'd like examples, I'm sure we could find a few in the writings of the prophets.

[stranger and pilgrim]

To ET & NinjaDetective:

I've enjoyed our little chat but I've got to go mow the law . . . . (sorry, I "GET" to go mow the lawn . . . )

[ET(end tyranny)]

I choose not to regard the day.

Suit yourself.

Mark 2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath IS the LORD'S DAY!

Sounds like you are following the commands of men, and not the commands of God. And as you pointed out, Doesn't worry Himself over whether the person is a Jew or a gentile, AS LONG AS THEY ARE DOING HIS WIll! And that included His commands. :)

The gentiles that choose to show their love of God by obeying His commands are those that are grafted unto Israel. It isn't about any 'church', it is about doing God's will.

Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. God doesn't change or lie.

What did Paul mean by 'new creature'?

I already showed what he meant... can't help it if you didn't like the answer.

What did Paul mean by "old things are passed away"?

He was talking about the Levitical priesthood, sacrifices would stop. God didn't want sacrifices anyway, and was trying to wean them away from them.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

decayeth and covenant in this verse from the Greek 3822 palaioo pal-ah-yo'-o from 3820; to make (passively, become) worn out, or declare obsolete:--decay, make (wax) old.
1) to make ancient or old
a) to become old, to be worn out
b) of things worn out by time and use
2) to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated

Hosea 14:2
Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

The sacrifices stop, and instead of offering calves.... the words/prayers from our lips will take the place of sacrifices as we repent and ask forgiveness.

p> Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mark 12
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Isaiah 1:11
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Psalm 51
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

1 Samuel 15:22
And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Hosea 6
6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Psalm 40
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Throughout the Jewish scriptures, the prophets declared that repentance and charity are more pleasing to God for atonement than a blood sacrifice.

[DoorGunner]

While this particular post seems reasonable, on first glance, the reader should consider the source.

The YashaNet reading list:

http://www.yashanet.com/reading.htm

 

Level IV - Torat ha-Sod (Torah-based mystical Bible study)

Note: Much of the material in Level IV is highly advanced. I do NOT
recommend these books for anyone who has not been a Torah-observant
follower of Yeshua at least a full year, as well as being well studied in
Talmud and related areas of Jewish learning.

[There are too many KABBALISM books to list. Note, that these are for the "highly advanced.]

 

Books by Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi

Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi is a contemporary teacher of Kabbalah and my
favorite author. Of his books listed below, I recommend beginning with
"The Way of Kabbalah," before proceeding to any of the others.

 

[These also, are Kabbalistic.]

If any Christian fails to understand the linkage between Kabbalah, and Gnosticism, and why they cannot fit into Biblical Christianity, it is enough to understand that they are incompatible. Read with discernment.

DG

[stranger and pilgrim]

ET writes:

>>I choose not to regard the day.

Suit yourself.

Mark 2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath IS the LORD'S DAY! <<


You asked about Christmas (I presume). You have no idea how I spend my Saturdays (or Sundays).

Besides, isn't the Sabbath still on where you are? It seems you're spending the Sabbath the same way I am . . .

[stranger and pilgrim]

ET answered my querry:

>>What did Paul mean by "old things are passed away"?

He was talking about the Levitical priesthood, sacrifices would stop. God didn't want sacrifices anyway, and was trying to wean them away from them. <<

Originally you said:

"Converting from idolatry to Judaism, showing God's proprietorship over us his creations."

Which is it? Did you change your mind?

[ET(end tyranny)]

Are you really that obtuse?

The sacrifices would stop, and that's because God didn't desire them to begin with!

But His Laws are eternal, His covenant is eternal.

[stranger and pilgrim]

Rom2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Circumcision was the last thing needed by a gentile to become a full fledged Jew, it was also what made many gentiles refuse to become Jews. SO, after the crucifixtion, circumcison was done away with for gentiles to be grafted unto Israel. Acts 15:28-29 tells you what things/laws were necessary for the gentiles to become grafted. The Holy Spirit deemed these things necessary AFTER the crucifixtion. :)

[Thinkin' Gal]

If any Christian fails to understand the linkage between Kabbalah, and Gnosticism, and why they cannot fit into Biblical Christianity, it is enough to understand that they are incompatible. Read with discernment. DG

Matthew 19:21-25

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

This is an Alef-Beit parable.

GIMEL
Reward and Punishment

Our Sages teach that the gimel symbolizes a rich man running after a poor
man, the dalet, to give him charity. The word gimel is derived from the
word gemul, which in Hebrew means both the giving of reward as well as the
giving of punishment. In Torah, both reward and punishment have the same
ultimate aim the rectification of the soul to merit to receive G-d's light
to the fullest extent.

http://www.inner.org/hebleter/GIMMEL.HTM

Gimel: rich man, camel
Dalet: poor man, door
Kuf: eye of the needle

It is easier for a [gimel] to go through the [kuf], than for a [gimel] to [chase after the dalet].

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

yud hei vav [dalet] hei

[stranger and pilgrim]

>>Circumcision was the last thing needed by a gentile to become a full fledged Jew, it was also what made many gentiles refuse to become Jews. SO, after the crucifixtion, circumcison was done away with for gentiles to be grafted unto Israel. Acts 15:28-29 tells you what things/laws were necessary for the gentiles to become grafted. The Holy Spirit deemed these things necessary AFTER the crucifixtion. :)<<

You said that circumcison was done away with and sacrifices were done away with but you say the Law is eternal. So, what do you mean when you say the Law is eternal. Clearly you don't mean it can't or won't be changed?

And if they are changed, wouldn't someone who considered themselves a child of God need to follow the changed Law? Would it be right for a Jew to still over sacrifices after they were done away with?

[stranger and pilgrim]

>>Circumcision was the last thing needed by a gentile to become a full fledged Jew, it was also what made many gentiles refuse to become Jews. SO, after the crucifixtion, circumcison was done away with for gentiles to be grafted unto Israel . . . <<


I was going to let it slide but I decided it should be mentioned that you clearly missed the point of the verse.

[DoorGunner]

Although every constituent part of your post is clear enough, I am unable to grasp your point, or perhaps, your position on Kabbalism.

DG