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He's An Only Child -- A response to a Protestant argument against Mary's perpetual virginity
Envoy Magazine ^ | Ronald K. Tacelli, S.J.

Posted on 06/23/2003 2:36:07 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid



  

He's an Only Child
A bogus Greek argument against Mary's perpetual virginity is making the rounds.

By Ronald K. Tacelli, S.J.

Recently, in some Internet discussion groups, a few Protestant apologists have been expending quite a bit of energy trying to refute the Catholic doctrine of the Blessed Virgin Mary's perpetual virginity. "Ho hum", you might be saying to yourself. "What's new or interesting about that? The 'Mary-had-other-children' canard has been effectively demolished by Catholic apologists a hundred times over. Who cares about this latest twist on a worn-out claim?"

 

My reaction, each time Professor McCrossen ranted about this, was: What's the big deal? No reasonable person would take the phrase "He knew her not until she gave birth" as somehow proving that he never knew her at all. Why rail away against a position no sensible person is likely to take anyway?
Well, as one who believes in Mary's perpetual virginity, I care, and you should, too. You see, this new argument is based on two Greek terms that mean "until": heos and heos hou.

These Protestant critics of Mary's perpetual virginity are training their guns on Matthew 1:25, claiming that the Greek term for "until" used by St. Matthew - heos hou - implies a reversal or cessation of the condition that is expressed in the clause preceding it. Thus they're attempting to show from linguistic evidence alone that Scripture contradicts the Catholic dogma of Mary's perpetual virginity. And that is a very big deal.

These Internet Intellectuals willingly admit that the Greek word heos all by itself does not imply any such reversal or cessation. This is true of 1 Timothy 4:13, for example: "[heos] I come, attend to the public reading of scripture." But in Matthew 1:25, heos is not used by itself; the word for "until" is heos hou. And in the New Testament heos hou always indicates reversal of the preceding clause - or so they claim. One of the Protestant apologists involved in this Internet argument wrote:

"We have insisted that the basic meaning of heos hou in the New Testament, when it means 'until,' always implies a change of the action in the main clause" (emphasis in the original).

Now if this were true it would indeed indicate that there is linguistic reason for denying the teaching of the Catholic Church on Mary's perpetual virginity. So on that little conjunction, heos hou, a great deal seems to depend.

My old history professor at Boston College, Vincent McCrossen, God rest his soul, used to scream at us in class: "Matthew 1:25, where it says that Joseph did not know Mary until she had given birth to Jesus, does not - repeat: does not - prove that Mary was perpetually a virgin!" He went on to say (or rather scream) that the Greek word for "until" (heos) leaves the matter open. It does not necessarily imply that what didn't happen before the birth (ie. Joseph's "knowing" Mary) did happen after it.

My reaction, each time Professor McCrossen ranted about this, was: What's the big deal? No reasonable person would take the phrase "He knew her not until she gave birth" as somehow proving that he never knew her at all. Why rail away against a position no sensible person is likely to take anyway?

That was my first reaction. But upon further reflection, part of what he said seemed reasonable. Even in English the word "until" need not imply that what didn't happen before some point in time did happen after it.

Think of Granny. She started taking an antibiotic last night; this morning her skin has broken out in welts. We call the doctor and he tells us: "Don't give her any of that medicine until I get there!" In this case the word "until" means pretty much the same as "before"; and there is no implication that Granny will get the medicine after the doctor arrives. In fact, it's implied that she probably won't. So I concluded at the time: Better to say that Matthew 1:25 does not disprove Mary's perpetual virginity; that considered in itself and from the point of view of language alone it does indeed leave the matter open. Catholics can read it as consistent with their Faith; Protestants, as consistent with theirs. Both readings are possible. In any case, it's no big deal. Right?

Wrong. The heos hou argument is bogus.

I'm fluent in classical and koine Greek (koine is the simpler style of Greek used by the New Testament writers), having studied it for many years prior to my ordination to the priesthood and before I earned my Ph.D. I've taught high school and university courses in Greek, and I regularly read Scripture in Greek. But none of that qualifies me as anything close to being an expert in Greek. So rather than trust my own judgment, I checked it out with the experts.

I printed out transcripts of the online heos hou arguments made by these Protestant apologists and showed them to several Greek scholars. They laughed, treating them with scornful derision. They confirmed what I already knew: that heos hou is just shorthand for heos hou chronou en hoi (literally: until the time when), and that both heos and heos hou have the same range of meaning. But do they? Professional scholars can sometimes be dismissive because they've been scooped by unpedigreed amateurs. Could that be the case here? What does a hard look at the evidence reveal?

For one thing, it reveals that not every occurrence of heos hou in the New Testament plainly indicates reversal of the condition being described in the main clause.

Consider Acts 25:21: "But when Paul demanded to be kept in custody until [eis] the Emperor's verdict, I gave orders that he should be kept in custody until [heos hou] I could send him on to Caesar" (Anchor Bible translation, slightly amended; my bracketing).

Now when St. Paul was to be sent on, he was surely going to remain in custody; for his original request was to be kept in custody until the Emperor's verdict. Hence the use of heos hou in this verse does not imply that Paul ceased to be kept in custody after he had been remanded to Caesar. It implies the very opposite.

Another example of heos hou being used without any sense of a change in condition after the "until" happens is 2 Peter 1:19:

"Moreover, we possess the prophetic message that is altogether reliable. You will do well to be attentive to it, as a lamp shining in a dark place, until (heos hou) the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts." Clearly, St. Peter was not insinuating that we should cease being attentive to the truths he was presenting after "the day dawns and the morning star rises in [our] hearts." Here, as in Matthew 1:25, heos hou does not imply a change.

Think of a comparable case. Luigi, a mob informant in Chicago, tells agent Smith that he wants to be held in protective custody till he can meet with the head of the FBI in DC. Agent Smith phones his superiors and says: "I've put Luigi in protective custody until I can arrange for transportation to DC." Will Luigi cease to remain in protective custody once he leaves for DC? Of course not. The force of agent Smith's "until" obviously concerns the time before Luigi's leaving. He might have said to his superiors: "Luigi is in protective custody now and will remain in protective custody during the whole time before I'm able to arrange for his transportation to DC." But we express this in normal English by the word "until." If agent Smith had been speaking koine Greek, it seems clear he'd have said heos hou.

But suppose all this is wrong. Suppose that, apart from Matthew 1:25, every occurrence of heos hou in the New Testament clearly indicates a reversal of the main clause. That would still not prove that reversal is implied by Matthew 1:25. It would merely prove that Matthew 1:25 may be the only place in the New Testament where reversal is not implied. If this is supposed to be a linguistic argument, we need to ask ourselves: Did heos hou really have a range of meaning significantly different from heos all by itself? Is there evidence that between (say) 300 B.C. and 300 A.D., Greek speakers recognized that heos hou, unlike heos by itself, always implied reversal or cessation of what is expressed in the main clause?

The answer is no.

One Greek text well known to the authors of the New Testament was the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was in place roughly two hundred years before Christ. And there, lo and behold, we find that heos hou does not always indicate reversal or cessation. In Psalm 111 (112):8 we read: "His heart is steadfast, he shall not be afraid until [heos hou] he looks down upon his foes." Obviously the man who delights in the Lord's commands is going to continue to have a steadfast heart and to be unafraid even after he looks down upon his foes.

Skip ahead now to the third century A.D. Clement of Alexandria wrote: "Thus thirty years were completed until [heos hou] He [Jesus] suffered" (Stromateis, 1.21; Patrologia Graeca, 8.885a). There is no reversal of the main clause here; once again, heos hou is equivalent to "before." So two hundred years before the New Testament and two hundred years after the New Testament, heos hou could be used, like heos all by itself, to mean extent of time up to a point - but with no negation of the idea expressed in the main clause.

Do our Cyberspace Savants really expect anyone to believe that for a brief period in the middle of this consistent usage, heos hou suddenly had to indicate reversal of the main clause? Or maybe they think that the New Testament was written in a special kind of Greek - one raised uniquely above the mundane flow of usage that preceded and followed it. Or maybe they're blowing smoke concerning a language they really don't know very much about. Or maybe these Protestant apologists do know a good deal about Greek, but they are either ignorant of this particular issue (and are trumpeting their ignorance over the Internet), or they do know their argument has no merit on linguistic grounds and are sneakily persisting in using it.

But regardless of how well or poorly these men know Greek, St. John Chrysostom, one of the greatest early Church Fathers, surely knew the Greek language immensely well (he wrote and spoke it fluently) and was sensitive to its every nuance. Let's look at what he had to say on the subject of Mary's perpetual virginity and the meaning of heos hou.

In his sermons on St. Matthew's Gospel (cf. Patrologia Graeca, 7.58), St. John Chrysostom quotes Matthew 1:25 and then asks, "But why . . . did [St. Matthew] use the word 'until'?" Note well here: In quoting the verse, Chrysostom had used heos hou; but in asking the question, the word he uses for "until" is heos all by itself - as if he were unaware of a difference in meaning between these two expressions.

He answers his question by saying that it is usual and frequent for Scripture to use the word "until" (heos) without reference to limited times. Then he gives three examples. The first is his own paraphrase of Genesis 8:7: "The raven did not return until the earth was dried up." Here Chrysostom uses heos hou for "until." (But the actual text of the Septuagint has heos alone.) The second example is from Psalm 90:2: "From everlasting to everlasting you are." The verse quoted (correctly) by Chrysostom has heos all by itself. The third example is from Psalm 72:7: "In his days justice shall flourish and fullness of peace until the moon be taken away." And here the word for "until," as in the Septuagint text, is heos hou.

If Joseph was a just man and a faithful Jew, if he believed that the God he worshipped, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who was present in the Holy of Holies, was present also in Mary's womb as Father of her Child is it really likely that he would have had relations with his wife once the Child had been born?
It's clear that for St. John Chrysostom, heos has exactly the same meaning as heos hou. That's why he framed his question about "until" in terms of heos alone, even though the verse giving rise to the question, which he'd just finished quoting, had heos hou instead. That's why it was natural for him to use heos hou in his paraphrase of Genesis 8:7. And that is why, in his list of analogues to Matthew 1:25, he used both heos and heos hou without the slightest hesitation - his linguistically sensitive ear registered no difference in meaning between them. (But there is a syntactical difference: heos hou came normally to be used as a conjunction; heos by itself as a preposition.)

If an unbridgeable linguistic chasm separated these two expressions, how could it be that the greatest master of the Greek language in all Christendom was unaware of it? The plain answer is that there was no such chasm. The whole "heos hou vs. heos" argument is a bunch of hooey. And both Sophocles in his Greek Lexicon of the Roman and Byzantine Periods and Stephanus in his Thesaurus Graecae Linguae agree; they state explicitly that heos and heos hou are equivalent in meaning.

And finally, we have the testimony of the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament that the Apostles and the early Church Fathers almost always quoted from in their writings.

So in this corner, ladies and gentlemen, we have Sophocles, Stephanus, the Septuagint, St. John Chrysostom, and modern Greek scholars; in that corner, we have the "Pentium Pamphleteers," swashbuckling Internet polemicists who are pretty clumsy in their wielding of this particular "argument" from the Greek. If you were inclined to wager money, I'd ask you: Where would you place your bets?

But beyond all this, it's the surrounding context, not words considered simply in themselves, that will usually tip the balance of interpretation. If we hear someone say: "I'm not going to eat anything until Thursday," we figure that come Thursday he's going to eat something - because people normally eat. Likewise when we read that a married couple did not have intercourse until a certain time, we figure that they did have intercourse after that time - because this is one of the ways married people normally express their love. And no doubt most (though not all) Protestants read Matthew 1:25 as they do, not out of any pedantic pseudo-scholarship or desire to derogate Mary or compulsive hatred for the Catholic Church.

Rather, they simply desire to see Mary and Joseph as a normal, loving couple. And to all such people of good will, I would close with the following question I'd ask them to ponder before they deny Mary's perpetual virginity: If Joseph was a just man and a faithful Jew, if he believed that the God he worshipped, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who was present in the Holy of Holies, was present also in Mary's womb as Father of her Child - is it really likely that he would have had relations with his wife once the Child had been born?

And if that question does not give you pause, be assured of my prayers until (heos hou) it does (and afterwards as well).

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To: Quester
Wasn't it better for her to be with believers ?

Presumably. If such actual unbelieving blood children of Mary actually existed, which of course is our point that they did not.

SD

261 posted on 06/24/2003 2:22:17 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Patrick Madrid
"Are you anti-fur? If so, let me know now so I don't pelt you with arguments. "


Now THAT'S a good pun!

carry on. I'm enjoying this thread immensely.
262 posted on 06/24/2003 2:40:54 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"Thats the whole end game, its not possible to come to terms on this subject is it? Its just the same old back and forth as it has been and will always be."


Indeed. That's why it's called "Faith"....and not "Truth".
263 posted on 06/24/2003 2:42:16 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
You've never heard the saying "Watch the fur fly!"? No offense, but that certainly lives up to your handle!

Do a google search on the phrase "watch the fur fly" to get a better idea what Patrick is trying to tell ya - it's not an insult.

Now, both of you carry on with this debate. I've got a front row seat!
264 posted on 06/24/2003 2:48:15 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: SoothingDave
I don't see how one man dying is supposed to do that.

Have faith. With God all things are possible.

265 posted on 06/24/2003 2:51:01 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Blzbba
You've never heard the saying "Watch the fur fly!"? No offense, but that certainly lives up to your handle! Do a google search on the phrase "watch the fur fly" to get a better idea what Patrick is trying to tell ya - it's not an insult. Now, both of you carry on with this debate. I've got a front row seat!

Front row seat for what? The guy doesn't post.

266 posted on 06/24/2003 2:52:21 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Were they not simply acting like good Jews and fulfilling a requirement of the law? Have more kids like HIM?
267 posted on 06/24/2003 3:09:32 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Patrick Madrid
If Joseph was a just man and a faithful Jew, if he believed that the God he worshipped, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who was present in the Holy of Holies, was present also in Mary's womb as Father of her Child - is it really likely that he would have had relations with his wife once the Child had been born?

Sure. Why not? I mean, once the Child had been born God was no longer present in her womb, and there's all sorts of Jewish law and tradition along the lines of being fruitful and multiplying and that married couples are to have relations.

I really don't see what the big deal is that it's important that Mary should have remained a virgin once Jesus was born. Before, yes. That's the material proof of the miracle. After, I don't see the big deal. In fact, it seems to me against God's law that anyone should marry to a fertile woman and not have children.

268 posted on 06/24/2003 3:12:48 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Aw hush now. I said I'd be able to post a lot more as soon as my book deadline passes. It's a lot like a kidney stone. Demands your complete attention till it's gone. Patience ;)
269 posted on 06/24/2003 3:23:18 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: RobbyS
Who said anything about "like Him"?

Becky
270 posted on 06/24/2003 3:25:57 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Patrick Madrid
Demands your complete attention till it's gone. Patience ;)

I just don't know how long I can wait til you finally bless us with your presence. :-)

271 posted on 06/24/2003 3:28:55 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: RonF
I get the idea that you think that there is something wrong with a person who remains a virgin. In any case, the early Christians put high store by virginity. They did not like modern Americans rank a family life among the single life. After all, they believed that the Lord was to return soon, so a normal life was not for them. After Paul had a tremendous religious experience, he devoted his whole life to the mission that Christ had given him. But Mary and Joseph had an experience that makes Paul's experience pale by comparison. I do not think it remarkable that that experience would make them forsake a normal life and make them devote themselves entirely to the mission of raising that remarkable child.
272 posted on 06/24/2003 3:38:48 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Amidst all the stimulating discussion here about the Catholic doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity, it ocurred to me that it would be instructive to point out that both Martin Luther and John Calvin -- the progenitors of two of the three major branches of the Protestant Reformation -- both held firmly to this Catholic teaching. For your consideration, let me add here some pertinent quotes from these two Protestant leaders. I'd ask the Evangelical and Fundamentalists in the group to think carefully about these quotes and consider just how far modern-day Protestantism has drifted from its 16th-century moorings.

(I'll repeat this comment in the new subject post on this theme.)

As an aside, let me mention that on biblical and historical grounds, I am firmly convinced Mary's perpetual virginity. I'll post more on that as time permits.
273 posted on 06/24/2003 3:40:46 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
O.K. Some short responses, because I gotta go home:

Regarding 1 Corinthians 7; if I may paraphrase you, you're saying that this passage says that virginity is more blessed than the marriage state, and thus Mary would remain a virgin. To which I respond that it seems to me that when he refers to a virgin, he's talking about an unmarried one. Mary was married, and thus not in the same situation. It also seems that the writer says that married people should practice self-denial (and denial of their spouse) for a time periodically, but should then get back together. That would tend to support that Mary and Joseph would have behaved in such a fashion, which he prescribes for married people as the proper state.

With regards to the trip from Jerusalem; the absences of evidence is not evidence of absence. N.B.: I'm kind of surprised that Mary would have let Jesus out of her sight at all. But to take off without positively accounting for Him for a day seems pretty negligent! "Like normal parents, they assumed that he was with other kinfolk"? Yow. I guess it was a different time. The parents of the kids in my Scout Troop would call the cops if they lost track of their kid for more than 5 minutes, and would be screaming at their kinfolk if Jesus had been with them without checking in. Without my Bible handy I have to depend on memory, but isn't this when they find him teaching in the temple? So I guess that the Lord fogged Mary and Joseph's minds to have this happen.

Also; let's presume for the sake of argument that Jesus didn't have any brothers and sisters. If God had Mary have a child without having relations with a man, He could surely prevent her from having a child even while she did have relations with a man. For all we know, Mary was not only a virgin but infertile, a not unheard of condition. After all, being Jesus's biological brother or sister would end up putting quite a psychological burden on said child, not to mention the safety issue as Jesus started His ministry and attracted the unfavorable attention of the authorities. The Apostles had a choice, but His siblings wouldn't have.

Zachariah doubting the Lord vs. Mary questioning him? The Lord had quite different plans for Mary than he had for Zachariah. Plus, they had different personalities and would respond in different ways to different treatments. Disciplining one and not disciplining the other could have had many factors; the proposition that she would remain a virgin would be the cause is stretching it quite a bit from my viewpoint.

To the last: Joseph loved his wife. Some men, upon finding that their supposed virgin bride was pregnant, would have had her stoned for adultery, as many men those days (and, regrettably, now) viewed their wives as property, not as humans with whom they shared some kind of human relationship. Instead, he was willing to take on her child, but didn't want her to go through the ordeal of being publicly shamed. The fact that Joseph was kind and compassionate speaks of his love for Mary, but is no proof to me that he never intended to have normal marital relations with her.

So, my viewpoint on this. I don't posit anything as proof that they DID have sexual relations. I just figure that such is the natural (and God-approved) course of events for married couples, and thus figure in the absence of specific statements to the contrary that this is what they did.
274 posted on 06/24/2003 3:44:41 PM PDT by RonF
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Any kids after HIM would be a bit of a come-down, don't you think? In any case, you are making a few assumptions about Joseph. In Catholic art, he is always depicted as a old man and Mary as a very young girl. So think. Suppose he was a widower with other children and she an heiress and romantic love was never a consideration? We don't know anyth of this, but one think I do know: they weren't an ordinary couple from Oklahoma.
275 posted on 06/24/2003 3:49:22 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Patrick Madrid
Martin Luther and John Calvin -- the progenitors of two of the three major branches of the Protestant Reformation -- both held firmly to this Catholic teaching.

I think that Luther would prefer that we follow Christ, rather than him.

276 posted on 06/24/2003 3:51:08 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
To say that after Almighty God passed forth from her womb, that a man would dare to desecrate her be having sexual relations with her, is to deny the divinty of Christ. It is a statement that there is nothing particualrly Holy about giving birth to God the Word that would give one any pause from daring to touch that which God has so hallowed.

I just don't see this, myself. Sex between married persons is not desecration, it's a holy state (or should be ...). I keep seeing those defending the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity that sex is "wrong" and that it would defile her. Mary was given to Joseph to be his wife, and I just don't see why it would be wrong or blasphemous for him to treat her as such. Mary was not the Holy of Holies or the Ark of the Convenant, she was a living human being. And Joesph had a special status as well, and his own privileges, which should extend to his wife. I offer no proofs. There are none. There are not proofs in Scripture that Mary stayed a virgin, just inferences, suppositions, etc. Referring to Mary as a virgin accurately reflects her status at, and the miracle of, Jesus's birth.

277 posted on 06/24/2003 3:51:40 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Quester
Agreed. And since Luther believed he was following Christ by upholding the historic Christian teaching on Mary's perpetual virginity, you would do well to imitate his example.

As Saint Paul said, "Be imitators me me, as I am of Christ" (1 Cor. 11:1).
278 posted on 06/24/2003 3:53:40 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: Patrick Madrid
Whoops. Excuse my typo. The verse should have read: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ" (1 Cor. 11:1).
279 posted on 06/24/2003 3:56:23 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"You follow not the path of the Lord RCC, and there is only one other path to follow.

You have accused me of many vile things. But, if you only knew. May God have mercy on your soul.

280 posted on 06/24/2003 4:16:04 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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