Posted on 06/22/2003 7:34:05 PM PDT by HoustonPatriot
In Defense Of Oneness Truths By: William Price
Who is God? This is a question that most people ask at least once in their life. Every individual, every person in this world has a burning desire to know who God is, and the characteristics of His life. I used to be a person who believed in the "Trinity" of the Godhead. I believed in One God, but in three persons ; God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Then I had came into the truth of who God is, Jesus Christ. But, I allowed myself to return to the lying deception of the doctrine of the Trinity, and tried to defend it mightily. However, the more I tried, the more the Holy Spirit convicted me, and led me back to the truth. Many millions are being held in a lie that has been propagated throughout the centuries. The early church did not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. They believed that Jesus Christ was the one true and only God. They believed that God came down to earth in the form or manifestation of the Son, taking on the form of a man, born from the womb of a virgin. Not once in the Bible did they say that God had three persons in Him. They always mentioned God as being one. Look at Ephesians 4 :5-6. There is only One God, period. Not three persons in One God, but only one God. Look at 1 Timothy 2 :5, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. " Apostolic believers know this truth. They believe this truth. However, this truth is also refused and disputed by men and women who claim that they know the Bible. Could it be that they do not know the Bible as well as they think? Now, let us go into the proof that Jesus is God. 1 Timothy 3 :16 states, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness : God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." Now this verse, piece by piece, gives the clearest description of who God is in the New Testament. Jesus is God was manifested in the flesh according to John 1 :1 and 1:14. Jesus was God justified in the Spirit, when the Spirit came upon Him in Matthew 3 :17-17. Jesus was seen by angels according to Matthew 4:11. Jesus was and is God preached among the Gentiles throughout the entirety of the New Testament. Jesus was God believed on in the world according to the books of Acts. Jesus was received up in glory according to Acts 1 :9-11. The Bible predicts that Jesus is God in Isaiah. Isaiah 9 :6 states, "For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." The name of Jesus will be called the name of the Mighty God, and the Everlasting Father. Many though, still try to make a distinction between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus took care of this one Himself. He told Philip in John 14 :9, "He who has seen me has seen the Father;" . Jesus had also stated in John 10 :30, "I and My father are one." He did not say that they were in agreement, or did He state that they were separate. He said that they were one and the same. Thomas, after Jesus resurrection, stated that Jesus was Lord and God in John 20 :28. The Bible, later on in Jude 25, "To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever, Amen." This states that God is our Savior, and since Jesus is our Savior, that means Jesus is God. In Revelation 1 :8, Jesus speaks to John from Heaven, and states, ""I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. ""And since God alone is the Almighty, that proves that Jesus is the one and true God. Yet, some will still state, "Well, what about the Holy Spirit?" The Bible's answer to this question can be found several places throughout scripture. In John 4 :24, Jesus states, "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth." 1 Corinthians 3:16 states, "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" Later on, in verse 6:19, the Bible states that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in us. This shows that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Jesus. When we go back to Ephesians 4 :4-6, the Bible shows that God dwells in us. This is the Spirit of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, not a separate person, but the Spirit of Jesus. Really, Jesus dwells in us. The Spirit of Jesus is not it, but the Spirit of Jesus, thus Jesus. The doctrine of Oneness is the Bible doctrine the original Apostles believed and taught. It is based on Bible, and has too much proof not to be the real doctrine of the Bible. The Bible warns about receiving those who do not preach this, for they do not preach the Gospel. Many will say something against the doctrine, but the Bible says what it means, and means
Because of the nature of the relationship between God and man changing. Under the old covenent the law was external, under the new covenent the law is written in the hearts and minds of believers. The writer of that law in the new covenent is God's spirit and specifically that seems to be the spirit of Christ.
But if we are correct and you are wrong and the Holy Spirit is a member of the trinity , then He would not have changed correct?
BTW the OT only speaks of an indwelling Holy Sprit one time. That was in an artisan that was working on the objects for the tabernacle
The indwelling Holy Spirit is a gift to those that are saved.
Why would one conclude that the Holy Spirit in the NT is different than the Holy Spirit in the OT ?
Because of the nature of the relationship between God and man changing. Under the old covenent the law was external, under the new covenent the law is written in the hearts and minds of believers. The writer of that law in the new covenent is God's spirit and specifically that seems to be the spirit of Christ.
As your children grow and mature into adults, the nature of your relationship with them will change, as well.
Will not your spirit, in regard to your relationship with your children, ... always be present and remain essentially unchanged, ... despite any changes in how your spirit is expressed toward your children ?
That's too bad that your church doesn't see the need to be in the open where the average person can find you.
Is that a member of the United Reformed Churches in North America (URCNA)?
Yep.
Not necessarily. The Holy spirit could be the same either way. What's different is the way it's manifesting in people...the indwelling. The spirit is still the same, it's presence in people is what's new.
BTW the OT only speaks of an indwelling Holy Sprit one time. That was in an artisan that was working on the objects for the tabernacle
I'm not disputing this but I'm not sure where this is located...can you point it out to me? Thanks!
The indwelling Holy Spirit is a gift to those that are saved.
Agreed.
Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. I think I'm saying the same thing as you and Terry but in different terms. You guys are right in that the spirit hasn't changed, but that is now available to indwell in sinners who have been forgiven by belief in Christ. Re-thinking it, I think that what's new of course is the experience of having the holy spirit indwell and that couldn't happen generally until the sacrifice of Christ.
Exodus 31:1-5
Then in verse 6 he tells the other gifts that were given to the other artisians
It is interesting to think on...
There are a couple of prophetic passages ,but they were conditional and not fulfilled until the NT
other than that the Spirit was always ON them not IN them
Whatever wrigley, characterize it however you want.
Is that a member of the United Reformed Churches in North America (URCNA)?
Yep.
Forget it. I was going to do a massive inquiry and search out where every United congregation meets and if any of them met in a URCNA church I was going to throw it back in your face. But that's pretty petty and I won't do it. I'll just accept that you have a problem with it and let it go. Enjoy.
Yeah sure enough. I'm going to have to study these verses pretty deeply when I get home tonight. I would think that an indwelling of the new covenent type was impossible before Christ because of the inherent sinfulness of man...we aren't clean vessels for God's spirit.
I suspect you are correct. I am trying to remember if the indwelling Holy Spirit was a temporary thing just for the work??
This is the man that fashioned the mercy seat on the ark
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Your question to KC on not being able to find a directory on where the United Church of God is listed.
Yellow page are mainly for commercial use, but when you go to a community many inquiries would also include what is listed in the state direcrtory!
So I am asking if you feel these community directories are not as valid as the commerical yellow pages!
Yellow pages list churches. It is one method I have used in the past to find a church to go to on a Sunday when I'm not at home. I don't know of too many people who have a "state directory" at their disposal.
How do you define "valid"? I don't know how to answer your question.
"rest you're coming out of left field"
What does that mean I asked you a legit question, Wrigley!
Now days when one moves into a community they investigate to see if it can accomodate their needs!
So most would use their PC or the Libray to answer their needs.
As far as being walk in!
That happens when one drives by a place often and decides to check it out!
Now if they heard about it on the radio they would call the phone # offered for the nearest location.
So I am a little puzzled why you what think are faults seems to accomodate the members of this faith.
I question the discretion of any Christian church that gives quarter to cults. Be they Church of God, or the Mormons.
As for the rest of your post. You need to read the entire thing, maybe with that context you'll understand what it was about. What you are trying to say is nothing near the point of the conversation.
Can one just walk in?
Are worships only in houses?
or on the internet?
Next you changed the topic which to you renting church space was also another short coming.
Anyways thank you answered the question!
Fine. Let's see how much you actually grasped.
Can one just walk in?
Very difficult with doug's church since it isn't listed anywhere the average person looks.
Are worships only in houses?
??? This wasn't part of the conversation I was involved in. So far you're 0-2.
or on the internet?
Once again ???. 0 for 3. The internet was brought up by doug to show where his church was.
Next you changed the topic which to you renting church space was also another short coming.
Nice try rest, but now you're 0 for 4. Rentinig a place to worship wasn't the issue. The issue is when a Christian church rents its building to non-Christian cults like the church of christ. I questioned the discretion of one church renting its building to the local church of god. I was not questioning a church renting space in order to worship. I have never said a church has to own a facility There is a difference there, and its not all that fine of one.
Anyways thank you answered the question!
Before you go on and say that I'm saying something in an answer, tell me, what question did I answer, and what was the answer that you attribute to me?
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