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Bishop O'Brien Resigns
The Holy See: Vatican Information Service ^ | June 18, 2003 | Staff

Posted on 06/18/2003 9:01:47 AM PDT by Loyalist

OTHER PONTIFICAL ACTS

VATICAN CITY, JUN 18, 2003 (VIS) - The Holy Father:

- Accepted the resignation to the pastoral care of the diocese of Phoenix, U.S.A., of Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien, in conformity with Canon 401, para 2, of the Code of Canon Law. NER:RE/.../IBRAHIM:O'BRIEN VIS 030618 (80)


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: amchurch; hitandrun; phoenix; thomasobrien
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Rome can turn on a dime when it wants to.
1 posted on 06/18/2003 9:01:48 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Alberta's Child; Aloysius; AniGrrl; Antoninus; Bellarmine; BlackElk; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
Pingus ad orcae schismaticae.
2 posted on 06/18/2003 9:03:04 AM PDT by Loyalist (Keeper of the Schismatic Orc Ping List. Freepmail me if you want on or off it.)
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To: Loyalist
"Rome can turn on a dime when it wants to"

LOL for the sarcasm(I think)

If Rome would have had any morals, the Pope would have called for his excommunication over the "pedophile incident". Furthermore, this corrupted bishop should have already been in the slammer for aiding and abetting pedophiles. If he was, the person this Bishop KILLED, would still be alive.
3 posted on 06/18/2003 9:51:25 AM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: Loyalist
Am now proceeding to shed crocodile tears.
4 posted on 06/18/2003 9:56:47 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Roughneck
So what is your opinion of the civilian DA who cut the deal with O'Brien not to prosecute him? Any contempt for him?
5 posted on 06/18/2003 9:59:49 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Loyalist
Rome can turn on a dime when it wants to.

Only when it has to in order to avoid embarrassment. The real test is whether he is stripped of his faculties. I very much doubt it. If the Vatican did not do it to a Bishop Ryan who personally solicited prostitution from boys, it's not going to do it to this reprobate.

6 posted on 06/18/2003 10:47:01 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
So what is your opinion of the civilian DA who cut the deal with O'Brien not to prosecute him? Any contempt for him?

Yes. He's a wimp, as is the Boston DA who failed to prosecute Cardinal Law. They're probably afraid to do it for political reasons, but the fact is nearly all Catholics I know would welcome such a move. If the Vatican is unwilling to cleanse the American Episcopate of reprobates, then most Catholics are more than happy to let the criminal justice system do it.

7 posted on 06/18/2003 10:49:31 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Roughneck
If he was, the person this Bishop KILLED, would still be alive.

AMEN!

8 posted on 06/18/2003 12:41:46 PM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: traditionalist
If the Vatican is unwilling to cleanse the American Episcopate of reprobates, then most Catholics are more than happy to let the criminal justice system do it.

That is the most puzzling thing this Catholic tries to rationalize. Why in God's Holy Name does the Vatican fail to champion Christ's Holy Word here? I'm totally dismayed and baffled to say the least!

9 posted on 06/18/2003 12:48:51 PM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: zbogwan2
That is the most puzzling thing this Catholic tries to rationalize. Why in God's Holy Name does the Vatican fail to champion Christ's Holy Word here? I'm totally dismayed and baffled to say the least!

We have no guarantee that the pope will govern the Church well. John Paul II is not the first pope to be guilty of massive dereliction of duty. The pope is a mere man, and hence there is nothing stopping him from being a lax disciplinarian. The only thing God guarantees w.r.t the pope is that he will never define an erroneous doctrine on a matter of faith and morals. That's it.

10 posted on 06/18/2003 2:40:29 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Roughneck
If Rome would have had any morals, the Pope would have called for his excommunication over the "pedophile incident".

No, even a good pope would not excommunicate him for since he did not utter heresy or commit a schismatic act. What the pope could have and should have done was depose him from his Episcopal See, strip him of his priestly faculties, and impose a severe penance, such as living in poverty and isolation for the rest of his life in some remote monestary in the desert somewhere. At least that's what would have been done in the good old days.

Furthermore, this corrupted bishop should have already been in the slammer for aiding and abetting pedophiles. If he was, the person this Bishop KILLED, would still be alive.

Amen.

11 posted on 06/18/2003 2:53:04 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Be warned. This County Attorney got his nose in the tent. This morning he was on the radio explaining how he was going to get together with other County Attornies and plan how they could effect this across the country. I think he also mentioned RICO statues being applied. We can look forward to the government church because of these lying bishops.

But there are many good bishops and we must pray so hard that God protects them and also that He gives us the discernment to know His will and act accordingly.

12 posted on 06/18/2003 5:12:23 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: zbogwan2
I wish Catholics had more time to look at what is happening.They would find that the system used to vet and appoint bishops is almost entirely in the hands of a group who commandeered it quite some time ago. The Pope has to get to the bottom of it in order to out the "enemy" and place good,holy men in position.
13 posted on 06/18/2003 5:16:36 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: traditionalist
We are so grateful to God that our bishop did not resign when we first wanted him to step down. And,as a matter of fact,at one point he may have tried. In fact,he had his Vicar in place to take over. A very affable fellow who was the founder of the infamous Life Teen programs in this country.

Well,guess what in November,we learned that the Church had paid $45,ooo.oo to shut up a young man who was charging him with sexual harrassment. Now of course,he claims he did not do that but then why did they pay the young man off?

So you see had the bishop resigned and his Vicar been appointed,they might have paid more and the truth would not have come out until maybe five years from now,and we would have another abusing bishop in place. God works in mysterious ways.

14 posted on 06/18/2003 5:24:57 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: zbogwan2
Why in God's Holy Name does the Vatican fail to champion Christ's Holy Word here?

I am not a Catholic but if I were this question would need to be answered immediately.

15 posted on 06/18/2003 5:34:05 PM PDT by PFKEY
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To: saradippity
We are so grateful to God that our bishop did not resign when we first wanted him to step down.

Why?

A father of four children might be alive today.

16 posted on 06/18/2003 6:56:21 PM PDT by sinkspur
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>>A father of four children might be alive today.<<

Or maybe the second car would have been the first.
17 posted on 06/18/2003 8:44:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been banned.)
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To: Loyalist
From article on Zenit

ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome


Code: ZE03061803

Date: 2003-06-18

Phoenix Bishop's Resignation Accepted by Pope

Charged in a Fatal Hit-and-Run Accident

VATICAN CITY, JUNE 18, 2003 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II accepted the resignation of Phoenix Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien, a day after the Arizona prelate was charged in a fatal hit-and-run accident.

Bishop O'Brien, 67, was arrested by the police Monday and charged with having fled the scene of a fatal accident. Police said his car struck a pedestrian late Saturday. The bishop was released on bail.

He told police that he thought he had hit an animal or an object, but that he did not realize it was a person. The victim was a 43-year-old man, Jim Reed.

The Vatican press office today said the bishop's resignation is in keeping with Canon 401, Paragraph 2, of the Code of Canon Law. The text states: "A diocesan bishop who, because of illness or some other grave reason, has become unsuited for the fulfillment of his office, is earnestly requested to offer his resignation from office."

Monsignor Richard Moyer, vicar general of the Phoenix Diocese, issued the following statement Monday:

"I sincerely regret reports I have received about Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien being involved in a fatal accident. The sympathy of all of us in the Diocese of Phoenix as well as our prayerful support goes out to the victim's family. The diocese will cooperate fully in any police investigation. No further statement will be made while the investigation proceeds."

18 posted on 06/18/2003 9:16:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Desperately spinning the excuses?
19 posted on 06/18/2003 9:48:53 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (FOX NEWS ALERT - Lacy Peterson is still dead. See Greta Van Susteren's round table for details)
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>>Desperately spinning the excuses?<<

No, I just think that citing his non-resignation as the cause of the accident is quite a stretch. (Didn't you or Sinkspur ever study logic?)
20 posted on 06/18/2003 10:29:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been banned.)
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