Mary's Relationship with the Trinity

EWTN ^ | January 1996 | Pope John Paul II

[drstevej]

***No, I haven't. I said you are a follower of Calvinism in Theology, not of John Calvin. You've said as much yourself on this thread, claiming to be a four point calvinist. I can't misrepresent you by calling you by a title you yourself used "A dispensational, 4 point calvinist, memorialist credo-baptist".***

I disagree with a number of points of Calvinism (Calvinistic theology) as well.

Calvinist theologians are generally not 4 point Calvinists.
Calvinist theologians are not dispensationalists.
Calvinist theologians differ from Zwinglian memorialists.
Calvinist theologians are mostly paedo-baptists.

So, yes you have.

***How can this chaos be what Christ intended to bequeath to us as a legacy? ***

Is this a reference to the AmChurch?

[drstevej]

***That being said, I accept your phrase as a statement of goodwill in fraternal quibbling, and return the same to you.***

It is indeed a statement of good will. I also desire God to bless you and ask that He do so.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Actually, Pope Piel, you are going to need to learn how to give the Epsicopal Blessing. These simple Protestant formulae won't satisfy the faithful from a man aspiring to the Pontificate.

V. Blessed be the name of the Lord.
R. Both now and forever.
V. Our help + is in the name of the Lord.
R. Who made the heavens and the earth.
V. May Almighty God bless you, in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, + and of the Holy Spirit.
R. Amen.

[drstevej]

***Actually, Pope Piel, you are going to need to learn how to give the Epsicopal Blessing.***

I'll count on you to coach me.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

I'll count on you to coach me.

Papal Master of Ceremonies would be an honor.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Is this a reference to the AmChurch?

Things look dire in dioceses like Rochester and Albany, or the trendy liberal parishes. But never fear, the Church will right herself and overcome, just as she did the Arian heresy. Lets just hope that the American diocese come along for the righting, and are not lost forever to the faith like the Titular Sees of North Africa and Anatolia.

[drstevej]

***Papal Master of Ceremonies would be an honor.***

Done.

[drstevej]

***and are not lost forever to the faith like the Titular Sees of North Africa and Anatolia.***

Note to future Papal Master of Ceremonies....

Be careful with the term "titular" when addressing junior highers, the guffawing disrupts the needed solemnity.

[John_burchett]

Luke 1:46 And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my SAVIOR,

Those who perform the will of God to perfection don't need a Savior. Romans 1 is clear on the point that ALL mankind have sinned.

Many are referred to as "blessed" in the Bible, I think it a FAR stretch to assume that because Mary is referred to as being "blessed" that that implies perfection. She was indeed blessed, no other person in history got the priviledge of being around the Son of God 24/7 for 30 years. But perfection, nope, don't see it at all. And, btw, if she were perfect, why is she rebuked by Jesus on more than one occation? hmm.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Imagine, Fishiness, if there was a Titular See of the Grand Tetons!

[drstevej]

***Imagine, Fishiness, if there was a Titular See of the Grand Tetons!***

After my planned reforms of the seminaries, we may have to drape the Tetons (perhaps Dolly Parton could loan us a few of her old bras) lest the new ranks of priests be tempted.

Anticipation of need is a mark of a visionary Pope.

[Land of the Irish]

There is no such thing as a Novus Church.

Sure, there is, in my opinion. It was formulated by modernists during Vatican Council II and signed off by Pope Paul VI in 1969. It is proud of it’s novelties and even names them Novus: the “New” Mass; the “New” American Bible, The “New” Catechism. It’s even added new, but optional, mysteries to Our Lady’s Rosary.

It's no longer the "Faith of our fathers".

[Hermann the Cherusker]

New Vulgate, New Code of Canon Law, New Sacramental Rites, New Raccolta, New Laws on Indulgences, New Orientations, etc.

[PFKEY]

Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you

Could it also be said that Gabriel is refering to Jesus as the Grace he was refering to?

[drstevej]

I doubt it since MAry was not pregnant at the time this was said.

[Land of the Irish]

Your opinion is not the same as mine, or the same as the next guy's, or the next guy's. It's private judgement.

I don't consider my opinion my judgement. I avoid judgements for I have no juristiction. That's the whole reason I stated "in my opinion". Care to comment on the rest of the my post about "novus".

It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as profane novelties of words, out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics.

Speaks volumes.