Posted on 06/12/2003 6:57:13 AM PDT by NYer
These conferences and gatherings are prearranged and scheduled.
The speakers are preselected for their ideology before it even begins.
The subject matter of the gathering starts off from a "hermeneutic of suspicion" - any defense of orthodoxy will be seen as a fascistic move to close off debate.
He who plans the meeting and picks the particiapnts controls the meeting.
This document is not very encouraging! The Holy Father starts out well:
"The subject on which I would like to reflect with you further today is the pastoral care of the liturgy and sacraments, taking into account the essential role every Bishop and the Episcopal Conferences have in this area, as I recalled in my Apostolic Letter for the 25th anniversary of the Council's Constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium, (4 December 1988, nn. 20-21)."
However, in the next paragraph, he says:
"The liturgy, which expresses the Church's proper nature and is a source for the mission, is given to us by the Church herself to glorify God: thus its laws, which should be respected by distinguishing the different roles carried out by ordained ministers and by lay people. Whatever directs believers to God, what gathers them and what unites them with one another and with all the other assemblies should be given priority. "
You know as well as I that statements of this sort are easily spun, by the moderninsts like Mahony, Clark and the bsp of Cleveland, into whatever "they" believe it to mean. That statement could easily become a ringing endorsement for liturgical dance, or other abuses.
It's a start. Will you help me in this effort? Please, please email them, assuming it isn't too late. The conference begins this weekend which may mean that they have already left. This is so frustrating!!!
NYer, OK, maybe not the whole thread (else they think we are nuts with a Calvinist at the helm) but you write well and you could send Mark Shea a little note. Bet he blogs on it.
That's great if you're Jewish.
Excuse my ignorance but who is he?
BTW, the Bishop's conference is not until next week, that still leaves time to email some of the bishops. Please help!
You got a source for a New Testament scripture that says "toss out the Psalms?"
Got one that says include them? Psalms are songs of praise to God. Any method of worship mentioned in the Psalms would have to have been acceptable within the old Law. Christians are not under the law, therefore methods of worship that were once acceptable may no longer be. Sacrificed any animals lately?
Christians must look to the NT for acceptable worship.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
I will write letters or e-mail, but I am rather challenged on that score. Hows about you compose a loose idea for a letter and I'll (and anyone else interested) can use that?
Psalm 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Lies! LIES! LIES! LIES!!!!!
(Did you expect anything less???)
From the Douai Old Testament:
Psalm 149
Cantate Domino.
The church is particularly bound to praise God.
Alleluia.
1 Sing ye to the Lord a new canticle: let his praise be in the church of the saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: and let the children of Sion be joyful in their king.
3 Let them praise his name in choir: let them sing to him with the timbrel and the psaltery. (laudent nomen eius in choro in tympano et cithara cantent ei)
4 For the Lord is well pleased with his people: and he will exalt the meek unto salvation.
5 The saints shall rejoice in glory: they shall be joyful in their beds.
6 The high praises of God shall be in their mouth: and two-edged swords in their hands:
7 To execute vengeance upon the nations, chastisements among the people:
8 To bind their kings with fetters, and their nobles with manacles of iron.
9 To execute upon them the judgment that is written: this glory is to all his saints. Alleluia.
Psalm 150
Laudate Dominum in sanctis.
An exhortation to praise God with all sorts of instruments.
Alleluia.
1 Praise ye the Lord in his holy places: praise ye him in the firmament of his power.
2 Praise ye him for his mighty acts: praise ye him according to the multitude of his greatness.
3 Praise him with the sound of trumpet: praise him with psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with timbrel and choir: praise him with strings and organs. (laudate eum in tympano et choro laudate eum in cordis et organo)
5 Praise him on high sounding cymbals: praise him on cymbals of joy: let every spirit praise the Lord. Alleluia.
But of course, its old hat to just retranslate the Bible to make it support whatever the hell you want it to now support.
Or ritually circumcised your sons?
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