What reconciliation? SSPX Demotes Former French Superior

Envoy Encore ^ | 5/28/03 | Pete Vere, JCL

[sitetest]

Dear Colleen,

I miss him, too.


sitetest

[Desdemona]

'night gang.

Yes, CG, you too.

[Loyalist]

I think of Richard Williamson as more of a tragic figure like Howard Hughes; both brilliant and gifted men who let their eccentricities and delusions ruin them.

[sinkspur]

She is, however, conscious of something. She is clearly aware that divided shorts are not like an undivided skirt, and the difference is that abandoning the skirt gives her a vague feeling — surely of unease, or emancipation, or both ....

It never occurred to me to obsess over skirts vs. shorts as Williamson has done here, in print.

I'll bet he could detail a "well-turned thigh" and why women who would develop such, through such base pursuits as running and exercise in co-ed gyms, are harlots.

Williamson's ripe for an ONION expose!

[sitetest]

Dear sinkspur,

"Williamson's ripe for an ONION expose!"

Couldn't be done. Nothing anyone could write to satirize or parody him would be more outrageous, or funnier, or sadder, than the things he's actually written himself.


sitetest

[sitetest]

Dear Loyalist,

From his letter, I can discern that he is, indeed, intelligent, but brilliant? Nah.

But even conceding, for the sake of argument, that he were brilliant, he ought not be a bishop, and evinces little that identifies him as a Catholic.

He is an evil madman.


sitetest

[sinkspur]

Damn it, I miss Catholicguy.

So do I. He was fine as long as he was pontificating about matters ecclesiastical.

He got off in the weeds of politics and slammed the president, viciously.

I'm sure Jim would welcome him back, if we encouraged it.

[sitetest]

Dear sinkspur,

I don't think he would come back.


sitetest

[sinkspur]

I don't think he would come back.

You're probably right. That's lamentable, though. He could be counted on to turn the knife, exquisitely, in a spar with the schismatics.

[american colleen]

Yep, he was a colorful guy, for sure. When he first started posting, he and I got in a run-in because he was pretty bombastic back then. He took a little rest and came back to FR the calm, cool, collected Catholic who we all knew and loved.

Well, you smarties can read the history stuff, but I just read Williamson's diatribe/excoriation of "The Sound of Music" and this man is a bitter, mean-spirited human being. He just wrecked the movie, everyone in it and the idiots who liked it.

Can you imagine this Julie Andrews staying with the Captain if "the romance went out of their marriage"? Would she not divorce him and grab his children from him to be her toys? Such romance is not actually pornographic but it is virtually so, in other words all the elements of pornography are there, just waiting to break out.

Right here is the mentality of sweet compassion for homosexuals and of bitter grief for Princess Di, of sympathy for priests quitting the SSPX for the Novus Ordo. Everything is man-centered and meant to feel good, the apostasy of our times.

Freakin' NUTS!!!

Not "The Onion" - but an SSPX version of Landover Baptist Church - Where the Worthwhile Worship. Unsaved Unwelcome. Just like Jesus Commanded.

Sandyeggo, thanks for taking the time to retrieve Williamson's rantings. I'm bookmarking this thread. IMO, Williamson is probably one of the main reasons that up to 90% of the Euro SSPXers are favorable to a reunification with Rome. I wouldn't follow this nut across the street, myself.

[sinkspur]

What a great website! The Landover Baptist Church, which proudly proclaims that its website "is inappropriate for anyone under the age of 18."

I feared you had linked into Fred Phelps' homepage, he of the "God hates fags" type.

[sinkspur]

I think I really needed to see these - including but not limited to the poor Sound of Music, :) - in order to bring some clarity and balance to what I've been reading on the religion forum.

Williamson is the dark underbelly of a cult which is outside the Catholic Church, and will continue to be as long as sinister characters like Williamson call the shots.

As sitetest said, you'd think Lefebvre could have done better than elevate an anti-semitic misogynist like Willliamson to the episcopate.

[Loyalist]

I've read all of those letters. Some are elegant expressions of orthodox Catholic faith; others are scurrilous trash. You wouldn't think the same man had written both.

The SSPX suffers terribly under him, just as the mainline Church suffers terribly under so many of its bishops.

I wish he'd go away.

[huskyboy]

Let's go through these issues you brought up.

1. Religious liberty. This idea has been condemned by Pope Pius IX in the Syllabus of Errors. This should not even be up for discussion. Now, if you want to talk about religious toleration, then I can handle that. One can tolerate false religions without giving away the entire store. Williamson was right as far as listing the consequences goes.

2. Women in universities. One question here. Do people get degrees for the sake of getting degrees? It's not like every guy out there can go to Yale or UDC. Some go to trade or vocational school. Part of this has to do with our abilities to learn, part of this has to with what God has in mind for us, and part of this simply has to do with our state in life. I see nothing wrong with being an auto mechanic. But I kind of wonder what's going on when 60% of bachelor's degree holders in a particular area are women. Is there a willingness to learn, or is this part of the feminist program? (I would say more, but I think I may get decked already.)

3. Fellowship with novus ordo. Strongly disagree here. It's the only way I can evangelize and get people to at least consider abandoning the post-conciliar church. If you can't talk with them or hang out with them, how can we even accomplish a counter-revolution? It does *not* mean we can start going to their invalid, protestantized services, however.

4. WTC. No comment here, except to recommend everyone read Hilare Belloc's book.

5. Sound of Music. Wasn't this the movie that was condemned by the Legion of Decency back in the day? If so, their concerns about the movie hold valid today. Remember, there is a slippery slope with regards to movies. Bet until you see "The Passion" and "St. Therese", you're not going to find a decent movie out there, one that would have been given the approval by the LoD.

6. Women and pants. Strongly agree. What happened to a woman's sense of modesty these days? Did not the Marylike Standards call for dresses? Did not the Church also condemn the idea of women wearing men's clothes? Our Lady of Fatima warned people about this warped idea. One of the benefits of being at Mass as opposed to the novus ordo service was, is, and always will be that I don't have to worry about distraction, because the women wear veils and dresses. Now, if this behavior could extend beyond the Church and for all seven days of each week, we'd have something positive going here. As it stands, women dressing like men (and excessively short hair) shows a lack of humility, like I said before. It implies she is equal to man in every way (the modernist sense), which is contrary to Christian thinking.

[Desdemona]

I'll bet he could detail a "well-turned thigh" and why women who would develop such, through such base pursuits as running and exercise in co-ed gyms, are harlots.

Walk enough stairs and unconsciously, you'll do the same thing.