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What reconciliation? SSPX Demotes Former French Superior
Envoy Encore ^ | 5/28/03 | Pete Vere, JCL

Posted on 05/30/2003 11:43:43 PM PDT by Theosis

In the past week or two, even some of the most hardened traditionalists I know have complained about SSPX Bishop Williamson's latest monthly letter, in which he appears to take a very firm stand against the possibility of an SSPX reconciliation. Here's an excerpt:

Even if these Romans were to speak exactly the same language as the SSPX still, by their modernist religion, they would not be meaninq the same things. Therefore the "reconciliation" would be verbal, not real, and the SSPX would have lost the protection of its present marginalization.

This does not appear to be much different than his various negative comments about the Campos reconciliation. Williamson, as everyone knows, is from England and was raised (at least nominally) as an Anglican. Reportedly, he briefly passed through the Catholic Church on his way to the SSPX schism. He know runs the SSPX's American seminary, and his influence within North America appears to be quite strong.

On the other end of the spectrum, (which is surprising given his past reputation as a SSPX hardliner) L'Abbe Paul Aulagnier from France is now making some pretty strong statements in favor of reconciliation. To share a little of his background, he was one of the SSPX's first priests and has held the offices of District Superior of France (which if I understand correctly is sort of the position of "first among equals" when it comes to SSPX District Superiorships), District Superior of Belgium and Second Assistant to the Superior General. Here's a loose translation of an excerpt from a recent interview he gave ITEM, in which he tackles these same topics:

I am very happy with the positive reaction of Bishop Fellay. "The negotiations continue," he said, "they are not dead." This is something good. I am always very favorable towards these contacts with Rome. We cannot "separate" from Rome, "forget" Rome.

Thus the best thing is to keep things, it is to keep these contacts frequent. Otherwise our "battle" would lose its reason of being. Our goal, over and above the salvation of souls, is to see our Apostolic Tradition rekindle in Rome -- and from Rome to the entire Church.

All isolation is dangerous, and ours in particular.

If we were not to turn toward Rome, we could in time create "a little Church". [Basically a non-Catholic Church like the Old Catholics - PJV]

Then the schism would be consummated well and good. This is our danger. This is why I am happy about Bishop Fellay.

This is also why I'm happy with the "agreement" that Bishop Rangel worked to bring to a successful conclusion with Rome by creating a personal apostolic administration with an exclusive right to the Tridentine liturgy. I hope we will get there ourselves as well.


Granted, my translation isn't perfect, but you get the gist of what Fr. Aulagnier is saying. Despite couching his comments behind appeals to Bishop Fellay's recent comments, it has taken him great courage to state what he has stated in public. (Which is why I'm not gonna quibble with him over whether the SSPX is headed towards schism or already there -- suffice to say, it appears that we both agree the SSPX will end up there permanently in the future if negotiations and contacts aren't intensified.) My heart and prayers go out to Fr. Aulagnier and I pray he will be successful in urging the SSPX toward reconciliation.

Unfortunately, my head tells me that most SSPX clergy still stand behind Williamson, and that he will likely win out if we don't see a massive change of heart among these same clergy. My pessimism is further amplified by the fact Fr. Aulagnier was recently transfered to North America. This is not good in my opinion. I have always found the SSPX quite euro-centric and thus I would not venture to guess that this transfer to North America was a promotion -- especially as Aulagnier is now in the heart of Williamson's sphere of influence.

Which only raises the following question: whose side Bishop Fellay is really taking behind the scenes? In other words, if Bishop Fellay is really in favor reconciliation, why would he transfer the SSPX's most outspoken and well-respected reconciliarist ourside of his reported sphere influence after he appeared to break with the party line, when no action appears to have been taken against Bishop Williamson -- who appears to be the SSPX's most outspoken opponent to reconcilation?

This gives the appearance of a double-standard and sends a strong message to the outside world that Williamson's ideological influence has won out within the SSPX. In my opinion, traditionalists on both sides need to watch the SSPX's treatment of Fr. Aulagnier carefully, because it likely will be the litmus test of how serious the SSPX is in approaching negotiations. Those like myself at St. Blog who favor reconciliation need to make a strong statement in support of Aulagnier right now.


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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: sandyeggo
Wow. Thanks for all your work.

This guy is a whackjob, plain and simple.

42 posted on 06/03/2003 8:40:53 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: sandyeggo
Dear sandyeggo,

Actually quoting this guy is harsh. It's almost... uncharitable. LOL.


sitetest
44 posted on 06/03/2003 8:42:47 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sandyeggo; ultima ratio
You wish to stop abortion? Do it by example. Never wear trousers or shorts. "

Dickie Williamson's a real card, ain't he?

Trousers cause abortion to this nutbag apostate bishop!

Thanks, sandy, for posting some of the gems of this anti-semitic jerk!

46 posted on 06/03/2003 8:49:39 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
Dear sandyeggo,

It certainly is a public service.

I guess the poor schlubs running the SSPX can't get rid of him, because, well, he's a bishop, and he'd just run off and invent his own new "catholic" religion! So I guess they're stuck with him.

Makes me kind of feel sorry for Fellay and the other guys.


sitetest
47 posted on 06/03/2003 8:51:02 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sandyeggo; *Catholic_list; ultima ratio; Land of the Irish; Loyalist
That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls."

No ideas for you "true girls"!

This is the American "leader" for the Lefebvrites!

Read his WTC stuff. Anti-semitism from a man who can validly hold Christ in his hands!

I'm sure the Good Lord weeps over this cretin.

Ultima, I had no idea your hero was such a Jew-hater. And the boy thinks abortion can be stopped if women just wore dresses, instead of pants.

Kinda tough to mow the yard in pants!

48 posted on 06/03/2003 8:57:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo; ultima ratio; Land of the Irish
Can you imagine this Julie Andrews staying with the Captain if "the romance went out of their marriage"? Would she not divorce him and grab his children from him to be her toys? Such romance is not actually pornographic but it is virtually so, in other words all the elements of pornography are there, just waiting to break out.

Uh, the SOUND OF MUSIC was based on a real life story of Maria Von Trapp, Dickie-boy! She actually did stay with the Captain, for the rest of her life.

Dickie-boy's got some repressed sexual issues, for sure.

49 posted on 06/03/2003 9:01:37 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Dear sinkspur,

Here's some more winners from his WTC garbage:

"There is serious reason to believe--that in 1898, it was not the Spaniards who sank the "USS Maine"; that in 1917, it was not the Germans who set up the "Lusitania" as a target; that in 1941 it was not the Japanese who set up Pearl Harbor for attack; that in 1963 it was not Lee Harvey Oswald who killed President Kennedy. In 1990 it was certainly not Saddam Hussein who promised not to react if he invaded Kuwait. In 1994 it was certainly not Timothy McVeigh's van exploding outside the Alfred Murrah building in Oklahoma City which brought the front of the building down. In 2001...? Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, now Osama bin Laden, from CIA-assets to personal enemies of the American people -how many more times will the trick work?"

I didn't know that we faked Pearl Harbor!!

Man, it would be hard to parody this guy.

sitetest

50 posted on 06/03/2003 9:03:46 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sandyeggo
"These considerations have taken us a long way from the question of women's trousers, and of course not every woman putting on a pair of shorts is consciously thinking of defying God or of defying her menfolk. She is, however, conscious of something. She is clearly aware that divided shorts are not like an undivided skirt, and the difference is that abandoning the skirt gives her a vague feeling — surely of unease, or emancipation, or both .... What is that feeling based on?

The desire not to get the skirts dirty when weeding the flower beds. It's called thinking ahead. ;)
51 posted on 06/03/2003 9:05:58 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: sitetest; ultima ratio
In 1994 it was certainly not Timothy McVeigh's van exploding outside the Alfred Murrah building in Oklahoma City which brought the front of the building down.

No historian is Williamson, as the Murrah building was brought down in 1995.

Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, now Osama bin Laden, from CIA-assets to personal enemies of the American people -how many more times will the trick work?"

As many times as DEM JOOS want it to, Dickie-boy!

I actually feel sorry for Fellay and those other suckers who are saddled with this blatherskite.

Catholic Guy posted references to ex-SSPXers who said that Williamson had a fascination with all things Nazi, to the point of Swastika-laden paraphernalia on display in his home.

Is reunion with this slime really a desireable thing?

53 posted on 06/03/2003 9:12:01 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
You think I'm kidding...ever try to scrub a floor in a skirt?

Don't get me wrong. The skirt to pants ratio in my wardrobe is abou 7:1, but this guy's nuts.
55 posted on 06/03/2003 9:14:05 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: sandyeggo
Dear sandyeggo,

"You all, when you have the time, should read the letters one by one."

I don't know that I can take it, LOL. My eyeballs almost fell out just reading the WTC letter.

It's ironic how the schismatics will rail against bad bishops in the Catholic Church, a Church with over 3000 bishops worldwide. They hold our Holy Father personally accountable for the quality of all 3000 appointments, as if he could do more than rely on the good judgement of leading bishops in each nation (which has often been lacking).

Yet, it appears that Mr. Lefebvre couldn't even pick out four decent bishops from among men he personally knew.

LOL.


sitetest
57 posted on 06/03/2003 9:16:45 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sandyeggo; ultima ratio
You have performed an invaluable service to the Catholic Caucus, my friend. I'm bookmarking your links, and will regurgitate them when our ole buddy starts comparing Dickie-boy to Mother Teresa.
58 posted on 06/03/2003 9:18:27 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur; Catholicguy
blatherskite

Excellent word! My irish born grandparents used it fairly frequently.

Damn it, I miss Catholicguy. I always felt like I had my morning cuppa coffee with him. He used to sit in his office and type poetically earlier than most of the resta youse were outta bed.

59 posted on 06/03/2003 9:19:14 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: sandyeggo
"When activities are proposed to you requiring trousers, if it is something your great-grandmother did, then find a way of doing it, like her, in a skirt. And if your great-grandmother did not do it, then forget it!"

My great-grandmother was a farmer's wife who worked in the fields. She wore pants.
60 posted on 06/03/2003 9:20:07 PM PDT by Desdemona
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