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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Conservative til I die
drsj ***Sin in the believer is restrained by the Holy Spirit and the Father's discipline***

This does not say or imply that believers can not and do not sin, they do. My point is that a believer can not sin willy nilly with no consequence.

Justification frees us from the eternal condemnation of sin because Jesus paid for all of our sins. When a believer sins he/she does not forfeit eternal life but he/she does sever fellowship with the Father and incur the Father's chastening until such sins are confessed. (1 John 1:9 - a book addressed to believers, BTW)

Believers do appear before the judgment seat of Christ and are rewarded for works that withstand the test of fire. However, salvation is not a reward and is not at stake at the judgment seat of Christ.

Analogy. When my daughter was born into our family and my son was adopted into our family we embraced them unconditionally. They will always be my children. However, that security should not make them conclude that I do not care what they do and that they will not be disciplined.

When they diosobey they break fellowship with me and need to confess/repent. Their position in the family is not at stake. I discipline them because I love them and want them to mature (exactly the motive of the Father for spiritual discipline).

77 posted on 05/05/2003 2:30:23 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
So at the time of judgement, if a believer is found sinful, what is the punishment if Hell is off the table? Can this chastisment occur after death? Not all believers who sin are chastised in this lifetime.
79 posted on 05/05/2003 3:04:52 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: drstevej
Believers do appear before the judgment seat of Christ

You will acknowledge that this "two phase" Judgement was offered by Darby, Schofield and the novel dispensational theology that they offered?

82 posted on 05/05/2003 3:24:37 PM PDT by don-o
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