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To: drstevej; Gamecock
There ain't no word "trinity." So what?

Now where in the Bible is the word "irresistible" or anything that could reasonably be translated "irresistible" used in direct connotation with the word "grace?"

And is there a difference between "irresistible" grace -- meaning a sort of Manchurian Candidate response to the gospel and "inevitable" grace -- meaning it must happen exactly as God knows that it, in fact, did happen?

705 posted on 05/02/2003 9:29:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; drstevej; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; so_real; rwfromkansas; jude24
There ain't no word "trinity." So what?

Now where in the Bible is the word "irresistible" or anything that could reasonably be translated "irresistible" used in direct connotation with the word "grace?"

There ain't no phrase "irresistible grace" either. So what? Both terms ("irresistible grace" and "Trinity") were developed by man to describe concepts in the Bible.

Now, at your request, here are the proofs that I.G is taught in the Bible

First let me quote the great verse John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." What a great verse! But it never answers the question of why people will believe. So, we can invent our own theology or we can read through the Bible and look for verses describing why people will believe. The why is defined in Theological Circles as irresistible grace.

John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away."

Hmmm, not all who choose me, but all that "the Father gives me will come to me.." If they aren't choosing, why are they coming? I.G!

John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."

Ohhh, the Father is drawing. Again, sounds like God is doing the giving.

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

What? I thought we had free will? No one can change Gods will? No one can accuse God?

Just a couple of more:

1 Peter 5:10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast

Acts 16:14 One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message.

Now it's your turn. Try to show us where the decision to recieve grace is an act we make on our own choice. Not verses like John 3:16, I've already explained that. Such verses don't tell why people come to Christ. They explain the rule for salvation, not why people come.

716 posted on 05/03/2003 8:08:39 AM PDT by Gamecock (5 SOLAS)
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To: P-Marlowe; Gamecock; drstevej; RnMomof7; Law
Manchurian Candidate response to the gospel

Marlowe, at this moment, could you deny Christ?

If not, what keeps you from it?

Perhaps it's the same hand of God that brought you to it in the first place.

717 posted on 05/03/2003 8:08:44 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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