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The Theology of John Calvin
http://www.markers.com/ink/bbwcalvin2.htm ^ | Benjamin B. Warfield (1851-1921)

Posted on 04/19/2003 7:32:39 AM PDT by drstevej

The Theology of John Calvin


by Benjamin B. Warfield (1851-1921)
 
This essay appeared in a booklet published by the Presbyterian Board of Education in 1909. The electronic edition of this article was scanned and edited by Shane Rosenthal for Reformation Ink. It is in the public domain and may be freely copied and distributed.

The subject of this address is the theology of John Calvin and I shall ask leave to take this subject rather broadly, that is to say, to attempt not so much to describe the personal peculiarities of John Calvin as a theologian, as to indicate in broad outlines the determining characteristics of the theology which he taught. I wish to speak, in other words, about Calvinism, that great system of religious thought which bears John Calvin's name, and which also--although of course he was not its author, but only one of its chief exponents--bears indelibly impressed upon it the marks of his formative hand and of his systematizing genius. Of all the teachers who have wrought into it their minds and hearts since its revival in that tremendous religious upheaval we call the Reformation, this system of thought owes most perhaps to John Calvin and has therefore justly borne since then his name. And of all the services which Calvin has rendered to humanity--and they are neither few nor small--the greatest was undoubtedly his gift to it afresh of this system of religious thought, quickened into new life by the forces of his genius, and it is therefore just that he should be most widely remembered by it. When we are seeking to probe to the heart of Calvinism, we are exploring also most thoroughly the heart of John Calvin. Calvinism is his greatest and most significant monument, and he who adequately understands it will best understand him.

It was about a hundred years ago that Max Gobel first set the scholars at work upon the attempt clearly to formulate the formative principle of Calvinism. A long line of distinguished thinkers have exhausted themselves in the task without attaining, we must confess, altogether consistent results. The great difficulty has been that the formative and distinctive principles of Calvinism have been confused, and men have busied themselves rather in indicating the points of difference by which Calvinism is distinguished from other theological tendencies than in seeking out the germinal principle of which it itself is the unfolding.

The particular theological tendency with which Calvinism has been contrasted in such discussions is, as was natural, the sister system of Lutheranism, with which it divided the heritage of the Reformation. Now undoubtedly somewhat different spirits do inform Calvinism and Lutheranism. And equally undoubtedly, the disunguishing spirit of Calvinism is due to its formative principle and is not to be accounted for by extraneous circumstances of origin or antecedents, such as for example, the democratic instincts of the Swiss, or the superior humanistic culture of its first teachers, or their tendency to intellectualism or to radicalism. But it is gravely misleading to identify the formative principle of either type of Protestantism with its prominent points of difference from the others. They have vastly more in common than in distinction. And nothing could be more misleading than to trace all their differences, as to their roots, to the fundamental place given in the two systems respectively to the principles of predestination and justification by faith.

In the first place, the doctrine of predestination is not the formative principle of Calvinism, it is only its logical implication. It is not the root from which Calvinism springs, it is one of the branches which it has inevitably thrown out. And so little is it the peculiarity of Calvinism, that it underlay and gave its form and power to the whole Reformation movement--which was, as from the spiritual point of view a great revival of religion, so from the doctrinal point of view a great revival of Augustinianism. There was, accordingly, no difference among the Reformers on this point; Luther and Melanchthon and the compromizing Butzer were no less zealous for absolute predestination than Zwingli and Calvin. Even Zwingli could not surpass Luther in sharp and unqualified assertion of this doctrine; and it was not Calvin but Melanchthon who paused, even in his first preliminary statement of the elements of the Protestant faith, to give it formal assertion and elaboration.

Just as little can the doctrine of justification by faith be represented as specifically Lutheran. It is as central to the Reformed as to the Lutheran system. Nay, it is only in the Reformed system that it retains the purity of its conception and resists the tendency to make it a doctrine of justification on account of; instead of by, faith. It is true that Lutheranism is prone to rest in faith as a kind of ultimate fact, while Calvinism penetrates to its causes, and places faith in its due relation to the other products of God's activity looking to the salvation of man. And this difference may, on due consideration, conduct us back to the formative principle of each type of thought. But it, too, is rather an outgrowth of the divergent formative principles than the embodiment of them. Lutheranism, sprung from the throes of a guilt-burdened soul seeking peace with God, finds peace in faith, and stops right there. It is so absorbed in rejoicing in the blessings which flow from faith that it refuses or neglects to inquire whence faith itself flows. It thus loses itself in a sort of divine euthumia, and knows, and will know nothing beyond the peace of the justified soul. Calvinism asks with the same eagerness as Lutheranism the great question, "What shall I do to be saved?" and answers it precisely as Lutheranism answers it. But it cannot stop there. The deeper question presses upon it, "Whence this faith by which I am justified?" And the deeper response suffuses all the chambers of the soul with praise, "From the free gift of God alone, to the praise of the glory of His grace." Thus Calvinism withdraws the eye from the soul and its destiny and fixes it on God and His glory. It has zeal, no doubt, for salvation but its highest zeal is for the honour of God, and it is this that quickens its emotions and vitalizes its efforts. It begins, it centres and it ends with the vision of God in His glory and it sets itself; before all things, to render to God His rights in every sphere of life-activity.

If thus the formative principle of Calvinism is not to be identified with the points of difference which it has developed with its sister type of Protestantism, Lutheranism, much less can it be identified with those heads of doctrine--severally or in sum--which have been singled out by its own rebellious daughter, Arminianism, as its specially vunerable points. The "five points of Calvinism," we have no doubt learned to call them, and not without justice. They are, each and every one of them, essential elements in the Calvinistic system, the denial of which in any of their essential details is logically the rejection of the entirety of Calvinism; and in their sum they provide what is far from being a bad epitome of the Calvinistic system. The sovereignty of the election of God, the substitutive definiteness of the atonement of Christ, the inability of the sinful will to good, the creative energy of the saving grace of the Spirit, the safety of the redeemed soul in the keeping of its Redeemer,--are not these the distinctive teachings of Calvinism, as precious to every Calvinist's heart as they are necessary to the integrity of the system? Selected as the objects of the Arminian assault, these "five-points" have been reaffirmed, therefore, with the constancy of profound conviction by the whole Calvinistic world. It is well however to bear in mind that they owe their prominence in our minds to the Arminian debate, and however well fitted they may prove in point of fact to stand as a fair epitome of Cavinistic doctrine, they are historically at least only the Calvinistic obverse of "the five points of Arminianism." And certainly they can put in no claim, either severally or in sum, to announce the formative principle of Calvinism, whose outworking in the several departments of doctrine they rather are--though of course they may surely and directly conduct us back to that formative principle, as the only root out of which just this body of doctrine could grow. Clearly at the root of the stock which bears these branches must lie a most profound sense of God and an equally profound sense of the relation in which the creature stands to God, whether conceived merely as creature or, more specifically as sinful creature. It is the vision of God and His Majesty, in a word, which lies at the foundation of the entirety of Calvinistic thinking.

The exact formulation of the formative principle of Calvinism, as I have said, has taxed the acumen of a long line of distinguished thinkers. Many modes of stating it have been proposed. Perhaps after all, however, its simplest statement is the best. It lies then, let me repeat, in a profound apprehension of God in His majesty, with the poignant realization which inevitably accompanies this apprehension, of the relation sustained to God by the creature as such, and particularly by the sinful creature. The Calvinist is the man who has seen God, and who, having seen God in His glory, is filled on the one hand, with a sense of his own unworthiness to stand in God's sight as a creature, and much more as a sinner, and on the other hand, with adoring wonder that nevertheless this God is a God who receives sinners. He who believes in God without reserve and is determined that God shall be God to him, in all his thinking, feeling, willing--in the entire compass of his life activities, intellectual, moral, spiritual--throughout all his individual, social, religious relations--is, by the force of that strictest of all logic which presides over the outworking of principles into thought and life, by the very necessity of the case, a Calvinist.

If we wish to reduce this statement to a more formal theoretical form, we may say perhaps, that Calvinism in its fundamental idea implies three things. In it, (i) objectively speaking, theism comes to its rights; (ii) subjectively speaking, the religious relation attains its purity; (iii) soteriologically speaking, evangelical religion finds at length its full expression and its secure stability. Theism comes to its rights only in a teleological view of the universe, which recognizes in the whole course of events the orderly working out of the plan of God, whose will is consequently conceived as the ultimate cause of all things. The religious relation attains its purity only when an attitude of absolute dependence on God is not merely assumed, as in the act, say, of prayer, but is sustained through all the activities of life, intellectual, emotional, executive. And evangelical religion reaches its full manifestation and its stable form only when the sinful soul rests in humble, self-emptying trust purely on the God of grace as the immediate and sole source of all the efficiency which enters into its salvation. From these things shine out upon us the formative principle of Calvinism. The Calvinist is the man who sees God behind all phenomena, and in all that occurs recognizes the hand of God, working out His will; who makes the attitude of the soul to God in prayer the permanent attitude in all its life activities; and who casts himself on the grace of God alone, excluding every trace of dependence on self from the whole work of his salvation.

I think it important to insist here that Calvinism is not a specific variety of theistic thought, religious experience, evangelical faith, but the perfect expression of these things. The difference between it and other forms of theism, religion, evangelicalism, is a difference not of kind but of degree. There are not many kinds of theism, religion, evangelicalism, each with its own special characteristics, among which men are at liberty to choose, as may suit their individual tastes. There is but one kind of theism, religion, evangelicalism, and if there are several constructions laying claim to these names they differ from one another, not as correlative species of a more inclusive genus, but only as more or less good or bad specimens of the same thing differ from one another.

Calvinism comes forward simply as pure theism, religion, evangelicalism, as over against less pure theism, religion, evangelicalism. It does not take its position then by the side of other types of these things; it takes its place over them, as what they too ought to be. It has no difficulty thus, in recognizing the theistic character of all truly theistic thought, the religious note in all really religious manifestations, the evangelical quality of all actual evangelical faith. It refuses to be set antagonistically over against these where they really exist in any degree. It claims them in every instance of their emergence as its own, and seeks only to give them their due place in thought and life. Whoever believes in God, whoever recognizes his dependence on God, whoever hears in his heart the echo of the Soli Deo gloria of the evangelical profession--by whatever name he may call himself; by whatever logical puzzles his understanding may be confused--Calvinism recognizes such as its own, and as only requiring to give full validity to those fundamental principles which underlie and give its body to all true religion to become explicitly a Calvinist.

Calvinism is born, we perceive, of the sense of God. God fills the whole horizon of the Calvinist's feeling and thought. One of the consequences which flow from this is the high supernaturalism which informs at once his religious consciousness and his doctrinal construction. Calvinism indeed would not be badly defined as the tendency which is determined to do justice to the immediately supernatural, as in the first so in the second creation. The strength and purity of its apprehension of the supernatural Fact (which is God) removes all embarrassment from it in the presence of the supernatural act (which is miracle). In everything which enters into the process of the recovery of sinful man to good and to God, it is impelled by the force of its first principle to assign the initiative to God. A supernatural revelation in which God makes known to man His will and His purposes of grace; a supernatural record of the revelation in a supernaturally given Book, in which God gives His revelation permanence and extension ,--such things are to the Calvinist matters of course. And above all things, he can but insist with the utmost strenuousness on the immediate supernaturalness of the actual work of redemption; this of course, in its impetration. It is no strain to his faith to believe in a supernatural Redeemer, breaking His way to earth through a Virgin's womb, bursting the bonds of death and returning to His Father's side to share the glory which He had with the Father before the world was. Nor can he doubt that this supernaturally purchased redemption is applied to the soul in an equally supernatural work of the Holy Spirit.

Thus it comes about that monergistic regeneration--"irresistible grace," "effectual calling," our older theologians called it,--becomes the hinge of the Calvinistic soteriology, and lies much more deeply imbedded in the system than many a doctrine more closely connected with it in the popular mind. Indeed, the soteriological significance of predestination itself consists to the Calvinist largely in the safeguard it affords to the immediate supernaturalness of salvation. What lies at the heart of his soteriology is absolute exclusion of creaturely efficiency in the induction of the saving process, that the pure grace of God in salvation may be magnified. Only so could he express his sense of men's complete dependence as sinners on the free mercy of a saving God; or extrude the evil leaven of synergism, by which God is robbed of His glory and man is encouraged to attribute to some power, some act, some initiative of his own, his participation in that salvation which in reality has come to him from pure grace.

There is nothing therefore, against which Calvinism sets its face with more firmness than every form and degree of auto-soterism. Above everything else, it is determined to recognize God, in His son Jesus Christ, acting through the Holy Spirit whom He has sent, as our veritable Saviour. To Calvinism, sinful man stands in need, not of inducements or assistance to save himself; but precisely of saving; and Jesus Christ has come not to advise, or urge, or woo, or help him to save himself; but to save him; to save him through the prevalent working on him of the Holy Spirit. This is the root of the Calvinistic soteriology, and it is because this deep sense of human helplessness and this profound consciousness of indebtedness for all that enters into salvation to the free grace of God is the root of its soteriology, that election becomes to Calvinism the cor cordis of the Gospel. He who knows that it is God who has chosen him, and not he who has chosen God, and that he owes every step and stage of his salvation to the working out of this choice of God, would be an ingrate indeed if he gave not the whole glory of his salvation to the inexplicable election of the Divine love.

Calvinism however, is not merely a soteriology. Deep as its interest is in salvation, it cannot escape the question--"Why should God thus intervene in the lives of sinners to rescue them from the consequences of their sin?" And it cannot miss the answer--"Because it is to the praise of the glory of His grace." Thus it cannot pause until it places the scheme of salvation itself in relation with a complete world-view in which it becomes subsidiary to the glory of the Lord God Almighty. If all things are from God, so to Calvinism all things are also unto God, and to it God will be all in all. It is born of the reflection in the heart of man of the glory of a God who will not give His honour to another, and draws its life from constant gaze upon this great image. And let us not fail punctually to note, that "it is the only system in which the whole order of the world is thus brought into a rational unity with the doctrine of grace, and in which the glorification of God is carried out with absolute completeness." Therefore the future of Christianity--as its past has done--lies in its hands. For, it is certainly.true, as has been said by a profound thinker of our own time, that "it is only with such a universal conception of God, established in a living way, that we can face with hope of complete conquest all the spiritual dangers and terrors of our times." "It, however," as the same thinker continues, "is deep enough and large enough and divine enough, rightly understood, to confront them and do battle with them all in vindication of the Creator, Preserver and Governor of the world, and of the Justice and Love of the divine Personality."

This is the system of doctrine to the elaboration and defence of which John Calvin gave all his powers nearly four hundred years ago. And it is chiefly because he gave all his powers to commending to us this system of doctrine, that we are here today to thank God for giving to the world the man who has given to the world this precious gift.


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To: so_real
In numerous Bible passages God indicates that we have a choice to make: good or evil. I take Him at face value that there is a real choice to be made (meaning nothing is predetermined), that we are responsible for making the choice, and that we will be perfectly judged according to our choice. Because I take Him at His word, I strive to understand how that could be possible, and this is the best of what I could come up with.

Indeed we do have choices ..choices that are goverened by the our preferences , abilities and location , sex, etc...all of which were forordained by God.

The question is not ever can man choose as he will but WHY man chooses what he will.

341 posted on 04/27/2003 11:47:50 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Seven_0
I think that it is speculation with merit. I like it.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Isa 43:25   I, [even] I, [am] he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Hbr 10:17   And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

342 posted on 04/27/2003 11:55:33 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; P-Marlowe
I do not think you mean that REALLY :>)

No, that's exactly what I mean.

I don't think you (and Calvinism in general) can grasp the concept of God being in control of all things without pulling every string.

I don't have a problem believing God is big enough to do that.

Perhaps your God is too small.

343 posted on 04/27/2003 2:11:01 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM, RFA)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mom's problem is not that she is a Calvinist, but IMHO she has coverted to hyper-Calvinism. She seems to be of the opinion that God actually created the vast majority of people solely for the purpose of roasing their little hinies in Hell for eternity, and that God does this because it gives him pleasure.

She may feel free to correct me if I misundersood her, but from her last two posts to me, it appears that this is her attitude.

Perhaps your God is too small.

LOL! That seems to be Mom's favorite phrase. Turnabout is fair play.

344 posted on 04/27/2003 3:32:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: RnMomof7
Sorry forgot to ping you.
345 posted on 04/27/2003 3:33:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Corin Stormhands; RnMomof7; so_real; P-Marlowe; JesseShurun; Wrigley; drstevej; Seven_0; ...
Remember the movie BACK TO THE FUTURE II?

Biff, the bad guy, steals a Sports Almanac from 1985 and takes it back to 1955, giving him all the winning scores for the next 30 years.

Those games were played; the scores were written in that book; they occurred in time and nothing could change them.

Our lives and all existence have been written in the mind of God. And nothing can change them. We don't know their outcome because we don't have a copy of the book that is God's plan.

So we play on, performing according to our abilities and will and guidance and desire.

But every play, every pitch, every free-throw, every foul, every win and loss, has already been written in that book.

346 posted on 04/27/2003 3:34:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; Corin Stormhands
IMO, there's no such thing as hyper-Calvinism. It's a term Arminians cooked up to discredit arguments they can't refute.

Eventually, when the scales of free will fall, they fall completely...with the inevitable THUD.

Listen for them.

347 posted on 04/27/2003 3:40:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I have no problem with your analysis on post 346.
348 posted on 04/27/2003 3:46:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
IMO, there's no such thing as hyper-Calvinism. It's a term Arminians cooked up to discredit arguments they can't refute.

Actually to a true Arminian every Calvinist is a hyper calvinist. The term Hyper Calvinist has been adopted by mainline Calvinists to refute notions about Calvinism that Arminians assume every Calvinist subscribes to.

The following 5 points are the marks of a Hyper-Calvinist (The more marks, the more hyper):

1. The denial of the gospel call.
2. The denial of faith as a duty.
3. The denial of the gospel offer.
4. The denial of common grace.
5. The denial of God's love toward the reprobate.

Do you have any of the marks of a Hyper-Calvinist? Do you believe that All calvinists have all these marks or that no Calvinist has any?

Here is an excellent primer on the subject (Written by a Calvinist):

Primer on Hyper-Calvinism

Let me know what you think.

349 posted on 04/27/2003 3:54:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
BTW all you are describing is the infinite foreknowledge of God. Foreknowledge does not mean causation. Thus if God knows we are going to sin on Friday, we will sin on Friday, but God will not be the cause of that sin any more than Biff was the cause of all those scores in the book coming to pass. There was nothing Biff could do to change the outcome either. The scores were written in the book and they were writtn in the book from the foundation of the printing of that book. (Which of course in this case is outside the time dimension).

The big difference is that God CAN change the scores in the book. And if he does change them, --let's say in answer to our prayers-- then he has effectively changed them even from the foundation of the earth. Thus those changes that God could have made or did make in response to our prayers have always existed and in point of fact were never actually changes, but the plan of God from the beginning.

Ponder that and understand that God is infinite. God is not Biff. Biff is not God.

350 posted on 04/27/2003 4:16:10 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; Corin Stormhands
I linked you to that site last week.

It's a very good site, but I think in their youthful zeal to reach out, they are shaving the edges off their theology so as to injure the all-important feelings of as few readers as possible.

However, be sure to read their chapter on Arminius.

If you say the hyper-Calvinist is one who sits in his darkened room and ruminates on the peeling paint, stuck in his lethargy because "everything's already been decided," then yes, none of us is a hyper-Calvinist. (Although this is definitely the image Arminians try to project as Calvinists of any sort).

If, instead, you ignore subdivisions meant to obfuscate, and ask instead, are you a five-point Calvinist (Dr. Steve excepted) who believes that God is in control of everything, now and forever, and that man's responsibility is to live a devout, fruitful and obediant life because Christ instructed us to, and in doing so, we then realize anyone living accordingly is probably going to end up in heaven due to Christ's gracious sacrifice, then most Calvinists I know would say, "Me, too."

Finally, if you agree with Calvinism, and thus, we're down to debating "hyper-Calvinism"...well then, Hallelujah, Brother!

351 posted on 04/27/2003 4:29:33 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Reread your post three times. It makes no sense.

IF the scores are in the book, THEY CAN NOT BE CHANGED.

But you say God can change them from before time.

THEN THEY'D BE IN THE BOOK AS THE SCORES THAT STOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You're too logical not to see the contradiction that makes your point absurd.

352 posted on 04/27/2003 4:35:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Ah, but now we see you do have a problem with #346.

And that's a common problem for Arminians...contradictions.

353 posted on 04/27/2003 4:39:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; RnMomof7; P-Marlowe
I don't think you (and Calvinism in general) can grasp the concept of God being in control of all things without pulling every string.
And of course Armenians can't give up the pride they have believing they have one ounce of ability to turn to Christ of their own volition.

Ya'll are partially right, before we receive the effectual calling of the Holy Spirit, we have a free will, but our hearts are so corrupted that we will, every time, choose sin. However once we are called by the Holy Spirit our hearts are layed bare and we are crushed, we still have free will, but we have no choice but to choose Christ. That, my friends, is quite clear in scripture.

Friends, when we pray, are we not commanded to say "Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven"? Our will, no! Thy will be done! Here, just as in Heaven!

Armenians can twist scripture, hold out one verse as proof that man has the ability to come to Christ of his own will. They can call us names and accuse the One True God of being a monster. Don't you realize God is answering you in this passage:

Romans 9: 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? 22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?

But only when Armenians read The Holy Word of God with an open heart and mind, will they crumble to their knees and stop worshiping their own abilities and admit it is God who rules everything!
354 posted on 04/27/2003 4:40:16 PM PDT by Gamecock (5 SOLAS)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Paging Dr. Eckleburg to post 354, Dr. Eckleburg, post 354!
355 posted on 04/27/2003 4:42:12 PM PDT by Gamecock (5 SOLAS)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
THEN THEY'D BE IN THE BOOK AS THE SCORES THAT STOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Yes indeed they would be wouldn't they? That is what is so amazing about God.

Think about it. I have to go to church.

356 posted on 04/27/2003 4:44:01 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I know if you weren't rushing off to church you'd offer a much better response than one reminiscent of Ill**y's.

8~)<

That's my happy face, praying.
357 posted on 04/27/2003 6:15:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7
IMO, there's no such thing as hyper-Calvinism. It's a term Arminians cooked up to discredit arguments they can't refute.

Actually I think Calvinists coined the term when they had to say "OH NO, of course we don't mean THAT!"

But of course, they really do. ;-)

358 posted on 04/27/2003 6:43:15 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM, RFA)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe
Biff, the bad guy, steals a Sports Almanac from 1985 and takes it back to 1955, giving him all the winning scores for the next 30 years.

But you see, even that speaks to man's limited understanding. You try to box God into man's timeframe.

For God, 1955 is no different than 1985 or 1685 or 285, etc.

359 posted on 04/27/2003 6:44:21 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM, RFA)
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To: Gamecock; P-Marlowe
And of course Armenians can't give up the pride they have believing they have one ounce of ability to turn to Christ of their own volition.

Well thanks for playing, but I won't read your post beyond there. If that's your concept of what Arminians believe, you don't understand Aminianism.

Of course, I could say that's the stubborn muleheaded nature of Calvinism.

But I won't.

360 posted on 04/27/2003 6:47:02 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM, RFA)
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