Posted on 04/13/2003 8:43:41 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
Blessed be the Mother of God, Mary Most Holy.
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Can you prove this foolish statement?
"Protestants of the last 150 years or so (since the onset of theological liberalism) who have ditched this previously-held opinion? Yet it has become fashionable to believe that Jesus had blood brothers (I suspect, because this contradicts Catholic teaching), contrary to the original consensus of the early Protestants. "
Actually I think it would be access to Bibles and not liberalism that exposed this heresy.
With limited access to bibles people would have no way to prove if what they were taught was scriptural. The invention of the printing press exposed the lies that the Synagogue of satan passed on as truth to the believers.
I love the name of the website --Biblical Evidence for Catholicism? Strange the author didn't use any biblical evidence to prove his claim. His proof seems to be that if enough people believe a lie it makes it true.
However lok at those Jesus called "blessed".
Matthew 5:
[1] Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down his disciples came to him.
[2] And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
[3] "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[4] "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
[5] "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
[6] "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
[7] "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
[8] "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
[9] "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
[10] "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[11] "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Let's not play silly word games.
Luke 11:27,28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare these and the paps which thou has sucked.
but he said, Yea rather , blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Mat: 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
In other words He is not of Mary. She is not His mother genetically.
Mat 12:46-50 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Mark 3:31-35 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for the.
and he answered them, saying, who is my mother, or my brethren?
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother and my sister, and mother.
Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisdec.
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Jesus has no mother spiritually and typically
Gal 4:22-31:
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Notice that there really is a mother of the church and it isn't Mary! Once again Mary is not even mentioned.
Misrepresented Mary Verses
I'll add these soon
Is that to mean that Jesus, incarnate, is not truly "in the flesh?" That He did not truly share in our humanity by having a real mother? And how is your statement not Gnostic or otherwise heretical?
It can only mean one thing, that it wasn't her egg. All that we know about His being human still applies. It only means that though He is through her, He is not of her.
I asked for proof that all the early protestants believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary. An absolute foolish statement that removes any credibility from the author of the statement.
I also don't find any scriptural reference in any translation I own that would show proof that Mary was always virgin.
If your bible supports the two I would suggest you buy a translation that wasn't written by some catholic apologist.
The statement that ALL protestants believed in perpetual virginity. Posting quotes from a few men and then claiming that all believed this shows the authors ignorance and agenda.
". Protestantism at it's core is anti-Catholicism. Now I don't mean anti- in the sense that we use it here, i.e., bigotry towards, although that usually is the case as well. I mean in terms of setting every belief against that of the Catholic Church"
You are right. Anti means against. We have anti-catholics and anti Protestants because of our beliefs.
"I gotta believe that there is some intentional setting of PRotestant belief against the Catholic Church. I refuse to believe that the Catholic Church has gotten everything wrong for the last 2000 years. "
No there are a lot of things we agree on. We part ways when you part from scripture. Placing tradition on a level with scripture is something we don't agree with. We have the words of Jesus to the Pharisees to back us on this.
They tried the same thing and it didn't work then just as it doesn't work now.
Jesus didn't care how holy their lineage was. They were not to put tradition on a level with scripture. Catholics would be smart to heed this warning.
Martin Luther is no more my leader than is the pope.
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