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Satan Joins The Moonies! ~Sun Myung Moon has often said that he came to restore everything that was lost. Man fell from the beginning, Moon says, Satan had a sexual relationship with Eve and sin entered the world, passed down through the lineage so that all are born as children of Satan rather than children of God. The Moonies are passionate about their belief that All will eventually be saved. Including Satan himself. Well, Moon's job to restore satan has suddenly become much easier: Satan Has Joined The Moonies! Satan Works For Moon Now! ~Right about now, some of you must think I am joking or something. Right? Well, I'm not! Recently, Moon claimed that Satan has repented of his historic sins, and even wrote a letter to God and Rev. Moon (This is what Moon actually claims!) and in the letter Satan said he was sorry for his sins. He also promised to start working hard for Rev. Moon from now on. Well, sadly Rev. Moon has not made very much progress in saving the world with only God on his side, but now that Satan has joined the team, maybe that will change? Here is a direct quote from Moon where he claims Satan has repented and is now working for the Moonies: Excerpted from: SUN MYUNG MOON LEADERS' MEETING May 1, 1996 East Garden Translator Peter Kim This is the way we can liberate Hell. Hell on the Earth and in the spiritual world will be liberated. You are presently residing in the physical hell of your physical body. How can we liberate this physical hell and then the spiritual hell? Now Grandmother Hong and Heung Jin Nim are working together to liberate hell in the spiritual world. They mobilized the fallen Archangel Lucifer. Even Lucifer has repented and confessed and is now being used to work to liberate all those evil spirits in this physical world as well as the spiritual world. Satan had repented Moon said. And so it was only right that Moon forgive satan and welcome him back into the family of God. Isn't it comforting for you to know that Satan is actually your friend and co-worker now? In a transcript of a prayer found on a Unification News Website in Korea, Moon had a little more to say about Satan, and he said it in a prayer to God: Excerpted from: True Parent's Prayer You gave Satan a chance to indemnify the faults that he committed. He did not love humanity as God's children but rather stole them from God and turned them against Him. The time when God could command Satan to correct his wrongs and clean up the fallen lineage came when God gave him the ultimatum on March 21. Satan apologized to God and claimed he would support Him to create the ideal garden of love. He confessed all his sins before True Parents to be forgiven. He confessed and apologized all he had done wrong to humanity. Please, Heavenly Father, take pity on him as he is asking for forgiveness from You and True Parents. As we, True Parents, unify heaven and earth, we bring peace between God and Satan and establish unity between God, Satan and humanity. We combined that unity into one single lineage of God. Well, what can you say? Satan is even more than a friend now. In the words above, Moon has basically called him "family". Are you sure you members really want to stay in the Unification Church at this point? You Can Safely Follow Satan! ~Satan and Moon have not just recently met, by the way. Oh no. They have been in quite a long term relationship. In fact, Moon has had some pretty fascinating (and bizzare) things to say about Satan over the years. He told his early followers that they could safely follow Satan. That's right. He told them that as long as they were sincere in following Satan, that Satan would not be able to handle their sincerity and he would eventually bring them to God himself. So, follow Satan, and he will bring you to God. I wonder what some of Moon's paid Christian Ministers would think about this guidance from Moon? Probably they wouldn't care, as those participating with Moon, do so because they share the same God: Money. Here is an excerpt that comes from a book by one of Moon's earliest followers, Won Pil Kim: Excerpted from: Won Pil Kim Father's Course and our Life of Faith Chapter 3 - Mistakes I'd like to tell you another story. Already 30 or 40 years before Father went up to North Korea there were religious groups there which had been prepared to welcome the Second Advent. Father visited one of them. One day he said to them: "If you believe Satan's word completely and absolutely to the end as God's word and if you attend him, even Satan will take you to God." Suppose you believe, learn and practice Satan's word completely and actually you attend Satan, Satan won't take you to himself but to God. Do you understand clearly? I'll explain it, taking an example. Take one brother -- Mr. Tanahashi. Now here is another brother who believes in and attends Mr. Tanahashi very much. But this brother has a misunderstanding that Mr. Tanahashi is John. He has a firm conviction that he is attending John, even though he is actually attending Mr. Tanahashi. Then is Mr. Tanahashi happy or not? Satan knows why people are attending him: they mistake Satan for God and attend him just as earnestly as they attend God. They listen to Satan's words absolutely. Then Satan can't make them his own since they believe completely that they are attending God, not Satan. Therefore Satan thinks they should go to God, not to him; Satan leads them to God. Suppose we happen to believe and follow even Satan's word as God's word; as long as we believe and follow it completely, we'll be led to God not to Satan. Father had this much faith -- it's incredible, isn't it? It's not "incredible", it's disgusting. And stupid too. The Bible says that Satan is a liar and a murderer, but Sun Myung Moon knows better than the Bible, and he is convinced that though Satan lies and murders, Satan would never be able to handle sincerity, and would politely bring people to the real God. Actually, it is not all that surprising that Moon would be so close to Satan. They have alot in common. The name Lucifer (who became Satan) actually means "Light Bearer". And interestingly, Moon's name "Sun Myung Moon" means: "Shining Truth". But the Bible also shares that Lucifer (satan) is an angel that disguises himself as light, and appears as light, but that in actuality, he is a liar and deceiver. The Bible calls satan: "That Ancient Serpent", and "The Dragon". Similarly, Moon's name "Sun Myung Moon" (Shining Truth) is not the name he was born with. Moon changed his name when he decided to pretend to be the messiah. Moon's real name is: "Young Myung Moon" which means: SHINING DRAGON in Korean. 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[CARepubGal]

Is he trying to recruit in case the government legalizes "alternative lifestyle marriages"? If so, his standing in the LDS church will be imperiled: they get very upset at anything smelling of polygamy.

[Illbay]

The Muslims do worship the same God, but in their own way.

To us, they aren't much more "incorrect" than a great many Christian sects, in fact.

[Alex Murphy]

The Muslims do worship the same God, but in their own way.

Then in fairness, I offer the same question that I did to Luna - what about the Moloch worshippers? Do they worship the same God?

To us, they aren't much more "incorrect" than a great many Christian sects, in fact.

If you're interested in maintaining a "civil" demeanor around us, stop referring to our churches as "sects". Most Protestants and Catholics I know consider it offensive and bigoted when applied to themselves, and you probably won't get a warm response when you use it.

Got a question, though, in response to your statement, namely the final destination of the totally unrepentant. I'm familiar with the Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial levels of Heaven you believe in. I'm fuzzy on the LDS understanding of Hell, though. I have heard, mainly in my youth, that "Hell" was either the lowest Heaven (Telestial) - or that there were three levels of Hell, underneath the three levels of Heaven. I've heard it both ways, but not from what I would call "informed" sources. Not trying to bait you - just trying to clarify a misunderstanding that I know I have.

[Delphinium]

Is Illbay a gay basher? Hit the abuse button.

[Delphinium]

We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

What are the missionaries for?

[P-Marlowe]

The Muslims do worship the same God, but in their own way.

I agree. The Muslims and the Mormons worship the same god. (The god of this world).

However, the Christians and the Jews worship a different God. They worship, the One True and Living God. Isaiah 43:10

[restornu]

What are the missionaries for?

Are there not paid missionaries of all faiths (except the LDS) on the air wave and in the Arab countries and other like Sudan etc.

Was not the Word of God to be preach to ALL of the world?

As I understand it one is to hear the message, but has the right to accept it or not. Nothing more!

This is just one of the many of the various faiths who have missionaries in the world.

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[Wrigley]

Don't you see the contradiction?

[Illbay]

Not that you're expressing bias or anything.

Hm. Wonder what would happen if I alleged that "Jews don't worship the same God as Christians?"

[drstevej]

***Wonder what would happen if I alleged that "Jews don't worship the same God as Christians?"***

Do they also think Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, that god grew up and that that Heavenly Mother is to be shrouded in secrecy?

[P-Marlowe]

Wonder what would happen if I alleged that "Jews don't worship the same God as Christians?"

You'd probably find that most Jews would agree with that statement.

The Jews think that the Christians worship a different God because the Jews don't understand the Triune nature of the God they worship. The Christians recognize that the God of the Jews is triune in nature and thus worship the same God as the Jews, but the Jews would disagree.

Those who do not recognize that there is only ONE GOD and that the ONE TRUE and LIVING GOD is a triune God, are NOT Christians. Period.

[Illbay]

You'd probably find that most Jews would agree with that statement.

You're evading the question.

I'll help you.

People like you and JesseShurun and others would howl, stamp and gnash their teeth about my "anti-Semitism."

The fact is that you and your ilk believe that you are more equal than others. That's it in a nutshell.

[restornu]

Why are you still posting to me since you said to stop!

[P-Marlowe]

You responded to my point, not by answering it, but by making a personal attack on my character. I have NEVER accused you of anti-Semitism. I may have accused you of being a muslim wannabe, but never an anti-semite.

Now if you could avoid attacking me personally and answer my point. If you dare.

[Illbay]

My response is based on what I have experienced.

I have been accused of "anti-semitism" many times. Apparently, it is the height of "political correctness" to allege anti-semitism on the flimsiest of pretexts. But it is perfectly okay to "bash" certain other faiths, such as Catholicism, "Mormonism," and of course Islam.

Hypocrisy. I was simply pointing that out.

Now, if you are saying you bash ANY religion not your own, including Judaism, well fine. I guess.

NO bashing of religion would always be preferable.

[Illbay]

Now if you could avoid attacking me personally and answer my point. If you dare.

I looked back over the thread, and don't see that you made a "point," nor asked a question. You evaded mine, but never asked one of your own.

Here's your chance to correct your oversight. What "point" did you wish to make, that I should address?

[P-Marlowe]

What "point" did you wish to make, that I should address?

"Those who do not recognize that there is only ONE GOD and that the ONE TRUE and LIVING GOD is a triune God, are NOT Christians. Period."

By your silence then I take it that you agree?

[P-Marlowe]

NO bashing of religion would always be preferable.

Tell that to Joseph Smith.

"I was answered that I must join none of them [any Church other than the LDS Church], for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.' " (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith—History 1:14, 16-19)

Sounds like "Religion Bashing" to me.

BTW isn't that in your "scriptures?"

[Illbay]

No, by my silence, you can take it that I didn't think your comment worthy of reply.

I worship one God, the one true and living God. I don't believe He is a "triune God" in the sense you mean. I am a "Christian" if by that you mean I consider Jesus Christ as the Redeemer of the World, and my Lord and Savior, the very Son of His Eternal Father, who is God the Father.

He is not some "aspect of God," He is the Son of God, as He said. I prefer His own pronouncements about Himself and not those of some political council in the Fifth Century A.D. with no authority to speak for me or my faith.

I prefer the living prophets to the dead theologians.

You are completely free to define and interpret things as you wish. And I am free to listen to the Holy Spirit.

[Illbay]

You may define "religion bashing" as you like.

I think Jim Robinson has been pretty clear on the definition that we use around here.

It is not, for example, "bashing" Catholicism to say "I used to be Catholic, but as I grew older I began to study for myself, and decided that Catholicism was wrong so now I am __________."

It IS bashing to say "Catholics are all under the spell of these popes who are the Anti-Christ! They need to wake up before they find themselves in the pit of Hell burning forever!"

I trust you can see the difference. I opine that if you cannot, it is a personal failing of yours, not anyone else's fault.