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Satan Joins The Moonies! ~Sun Myung Moon has often said that he came to restore everything that was lost. Man fell from the beginning, Moon says, Satan had a sexual relationship with Eve and sin entered the world, passed down through the lineage so that all are born as children of Satan rather than children of God. The Moonies are passionate about their belief that All will eventually be saved. Including Satan himself. Well, Moon's job to restore satan has suddenly become much easier: Satan Has Joined The Moonies! Satan Works For Moon Now! ~Right about now, some of you must think I am joking or something. Right? Well, I'm not! Recently, Moon claimed that Satan has repented of his historic sins, and even wrote a letter to God and Rev. Moon (This is what Moon actually claims!) and in the letter Satan said he was sorry for his sins. He also promised to start working hard for Rev. Moon from now on. Well, sadly Rev. Moon has not made very much progress in saving the world with only God on his side, but now that Satan has joined the team, maybe that will change? Here is a direct quote from Moon where he claims Satan has repented and is now working for the Moonies: Excerpted from: SUN MYUNG MOON LEADERS' MEETING May 1, 1996 East Garden Translator Peter Kim This is the way we can liberate Hell. Hell on the Earth and in the spiritual world will be liberated. You are presently residing in the physical hell of your physical body. How can we liberate this physical hell and then the spiritual hell? Now Grandmother Hong and Heung Jin Nim are working together to liberate hell in the spiritual world. They mobilized the fallen Archangel Lucifer. Even Lucifer has repented and confessed and is now being used to work to liberate all those evil spirits in this physical world as well as the spiritual world. Satan had repented Moon said. And so it was only right that Moon forgive satan and welcome him back into the family of God. Isn't it comforting for you to know that Satan is actually your friend and co-worker now? In a transcript of a prayer found on a Unification News Website in Korea, Moon had a little more to say about Satan, and he said it in a prayer to God: Excerpted from: True Parent's Prayer You gave Satan a chance to indemnify the faults that he committed. He did not love humanity as God's children but rather stole them from God and turned them against Him. The time when God could command Satan to correct his wrongs and clean up the fallen lineage came when God gave him the ultimatum on March 21. Satan apologized to God and claimed he would support Him to create the ideal garden of love. He confessed all his sins before True Parents to be forgiven. He confessed and apologized all he had done wrong to humanity. Please, Heavenly Father, take pity on him as he is asking for forgiveness from You and True Parents. As we, True Parents, unify heaven and earth, we bring peace between God and Satan and establish unity between God, Satan and humanity. We combined that unity into one single lineage of God. Well, what can you say? Satan is even more than a friend now. In the words above, Moon has basically called him "family". Are you sure you members really want to stay in the Unification Church at this point? You Can Safely Follow Satan! ~Satan and Moon have not just recently met, by the way. Oh no. They have been in quite a long term relationship. In fact, Moon has had some pretty fascinating (and bizzare) things to say about Satan over the years. He told his early followers that they could safely follow Satan. That's right. He told them that as long as they were sincere in following Satan, that Satan would not be able to handle their sincerity and he would eventually bring them to God himself. So, follow Satan, and he will bring you to God. I wonder what some of Moon's paid Christian Ministers would think about this guidance from Moon? Probably they wouldn't care, as those participating with Moon, do so because they share the same God: Money. Here is an excerpt that comes from a book by one of Moon's earliest followers, Won Pil Kim: Excerpted from: Won Pil Kim Father's Course and our Life of Faith Chapter 3 - Mistakes I'd like to tell you another story. Already 30 or 40 years before Father went up to North Korea there were religious groups there which had been prepared to welcome the Second Advent. Father visited one of them. One day he said to them: "If you believe Satan's word completely and absolutely to the end as God's word and if you attend him, even Satan will take you to God." Suppose you believe, learn and practice Satan's word completely and actually you attend Satan, Satan won't take you to himself but to God. Do you understand clearly? I'll explain it, taking an example. Take one brother -- Mr. Tanahashi. Now here is another brother who believes in and attends Mr. Tanahashi very much. But this brother has a misunderstanding that Mr. Tanahashi is John. He has a firm conviction that he is attending John, even though he is actually attending Mr. Tanahashi. Then is Mr. Tanahashi happy or not? Satan knows why people are attending him: they mistake Satan for God and attend him just as earnestly as they attend God. They listen to Satan's words absolutely. Then Satan can't make them his own since they believe completely that they are attending God, not Satan. Therefore Satan thinks they should go to God, not to him; Satan leads them to God. Suppose we happen to believe and follow even Satan's word as God's word; as long as we believe and follow it completely, we'll be led to God not to Satan. Father had this much faith -- it's incredible, isn't it? It's not "incredible", it's disgusting. And stupid too. The Bible says that Satan is a liar and a murderer, but Sun Myung Moon knows better than the Bible, and he is convinced that though Satan lies and murders, Satan would never be able to handle sincerity, and would politely bring people to the real God. Actually, it is not all that surprising that Moon would be so close to Satan. They have alot in common. The name Lucifer (who became Satan) actually means "Light Bearer". And interestingly, Moon's name "Sun Myung Moon" means: "Shining Truth". But the Bible also shares that Lucifer (satan) is an angel that disguises himself as light, and appears as light, but that in actuality, he is a liar and deceiver. The Bible calls satan: "That Ancient Serpent", and "The Dragon". Similarly, Moon's name "Sun Myung Moon" (Shining Truth) is not the name he was born with. Moon changed his name when he decided to pretend to be the messiah. Moon's real name is: "Young Myung Moon" which means: SHINING DRAGON in Korean. 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[JesseShurun]

Mouse Kate Ear?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"Gidget's Summer Reunion" (1985)

[JesseShurun]

was the Islammanite singing "Moonshadows" and is it still a bar in Malibu?

[drstevej]

Perhaps it was a Nephite singing of Moon men casting shaddows.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Still.

[JesseShurun]

dick tracey had a moonwoman, and once a month there was a bad moon rising...

[JesseShurun]

romantic

[Alex Murphy]

[I must be psychic]

You mean like Tonto or Gabbie Hayes? Oh wait - I thought you said sidekick.

[Elsie]

Groan!

[Corin Stormhands]

Good thing God can't figure that out, or you'd be ******.

See, I've been tryin' to post back to that all afternoon and kept gettin' distracted by like work and ****.

But I was just wonderin'. Does he really think that when he types "lying sack of **** diatribe," that people have to guess what he means?

Asterisks are like condoms for swear words, but the deed still gets done.

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

Does he really think that when he types "lying sack of **** diatribe," that people have to guess what he means?

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Probably not............

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"Gabby Hayes"

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Sounds like a certain (FR-5th) father could've used Gabby's help.

[restornu]

Hopalong Cassidy
was my favorite!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Asterisks are like condoms for swear words, only the deed still gets done.

LOL!

Shelley? Keats? Byron? Smith?

[malakhi]

Wonder what would happen if I alleged that "Jews don't worship the same God as Christians?"

You'd probably find that most Jews would agree with that statement.

Not the Jews I know, at any rate. Generally speaking, Jews do recognize that Christians worship the same God we do: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We differ in how many persons we believe are found in the Godhead, but we worship the same Being.

Judaism teaches that the righteous of all nations will have a place in the World to Come. Generally, we believe that Christianity is an acceptable form of monotheism for Gentiles. In fact, Maimonides wrote that despite the strict monotheism of Islam, he preferred Christianity for the reason that Christianity believes in the inspired nature of the Hebrew scriptures (Islam teaches that they have been corrupted).

[P-Marlowe]

I don't think that Jews believe that Jesus is the God they worship. Thus unless the Jew is willing to accept that Jesus is God, then obviously they are not worshiping the same God as the Orthodox Christian.

Now do you as a Jew worship Jesus? It is a requirement of Orthodox Christianity. It would appear to be an abomination to an Orthodox Jew.

So, with that in mind, do we worshp the same God? Is there really a meeting of the minds on who this God person is?

[malakhi]

I don't think that Jews believe that Jesus is the God they worship. Thus unless the Jew is willing to accept that Jesus is God, then obviously they are not worshiping the same God as the Orthodox Christian.

That is one angle to look at it, and it is the angle that, from the standpoint of Judaism, makes Christianity look problematic.

On the other hand, though, orthodox Christianity does teach that Jesus is God (specifically, the second person of the trinity) made flesh. Now, you and I disagree about whether God is one person or three, and we disagree about whether God became man. But the God we are talking about -- the God who we agree acts in the Hebrew scriptures, and the God Christians believe became incarnate in Jesus -- is one and the same. We disagree about God's nature, and about what He did, but we are still talking about the same Being.

Let me give an analogy. Take an average liberal and an average conservative. Now, they would hold profoundly different opinions about Bill Clinton as a man, and what sort of job he did. But they would agree that he was President of the United States from 1993 to 2001.

[P-Marlowe]

On the other hand, though, orthodox Christianity does teach that Jesus is God (specifically, the second person of the trinity) made flesh.

Excellent point. So why is it that every Jew who comes to that realization (that Jesus is YHVH manifest in the flesh) is immediately rejected by the whole of Judaism and is no longer recognized by Jews as being a Jew?

Or do you believe that there is such an animal as a Jew for Jesus, or a Messianic Jew?

And if there is, then why is Israel so adamant about prohibiting the Jews for Jesus people from proselytizing Jews in Israel? Aren't they (according to your definition) just Jews who believe in Jesus?

You can be an atheist Jew, you can be a Zen Bhuddist Jew, but it seems that you can't be a Christian Jew? Am I wrong?

[malakhi]

So why is it that every Jew who comes to that realization (that Jesus is YHVH manifest in the flesh) is immediately rejected by the whole of Judaism and is no longer recognized by Jews as being a Jew?

Technically speaking, a Jew who ceases to practice Judaism remains a Jew. He might be considered apostate, but he would not need to "reconvert" if he changed his mind and wished to return. When people say "he is no longer Jewish", they are either speaking in error, or referring specifically to his religious practice.

With regards to why Jews react so vehemently when a Jew becomes a Christian, I think there are two factors to consider. First, there is the almost 2,000 years of history to consider. Up until fairly recently, Jews suffered a good deal of persecution at the hands of certain Christians. It may not be fair for Jews today to hold this against Christians today, but it is a reality. And unfortunately (as a quick google search would reveal) there remain some self-professed Christians today who continue to hold anti-semitic beliefs.

Second, it is a matter of religious identity. Every religious body has the right to define what it means to be a member of that group. If I strongly held beliefs in free will and conditional salvation, I wouldn't fit in well in a Calvinist church. If I rejected the teaching authority of the popes and the bishops, I wouldn't really be a Catholic. And so on. Central to Jewish belief is that God is One, indivisible and unchangeable. Beliefs such as the trinity and the incarnation, as defined by orthodox Christianity, just don't fit into Judaism as Judaism defines itself. Conversely, orthodox Christians would probably say that a person who is a unitarian or a tritheist is not really a Christian.

Or do you believe that there is such an animal as a Jew for Jesus, or a Messianic Jew?

They exist. How they choose to define themselves is their own decision. Whether or not other Jewish denominations wish to accept them is their decision.

And if there is, then why is Israel so adamant about prohibiting the Jews for Jesus people from proselytizing Jews in Israel?

I don't know what the specific motivations are. I do know that many Jews object to the tactics used by certain messianic groups.

You can be an atheist Jew, you can be a Zen Bhuddist Jew, but it seems that you can't be a Christian Jew? Am I wrong?

Again, it depends from what perspective you are looking. From the standpoint of birth, all of the above would be Jews. Orthodox Judaism would see all of the above as apostate. And both Conservative and Reform Judaism define themselves differently than Orthodoxy.