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Satan Joins The Moonies! ~Sun Myung Moon has often said that he came to restore everything that was lost. Man fell from the beginning, Moon says, Satan had a sexual relationship with Eve and sin entered the world, passed down through the lineage so that all are born as children of Satan rather than children of God. The Moonies are passionate about their belief that All will eventually be saved. Including Satan himself. Well, Moon's job to restore satan has suddenly become much easier: Satan Has Joined The Moonies! Satan Works For Moon Now! ~Right about now, some of you must think I am joking or something. Right? Well, I'm not! Recently, Moon claimed that Satan has repented of his historic sins, and even wrote a letter to God and Rev. Moon (This is what Moon actually claims!) and in the letter Satan said he was sorry for his sins. He also promised to start working hard for Rev. Moon from now on. Well, sadly Rev. Moon has not made very much progress in saving the world with only God on his side, but now that Satan has joined the team, maybe that will change? Here is a direct quote from Moon where he claims Satan has repented and is now working for the Moonies: Excerpted from: SUN MYUNG MOON LEADERS' MEETING May 1, 1996 East Garden Translator Peter Kim This is the way we can liberate Hell. Hell on the Earth and in the spiritual world will be liberated. You are presently residing in the physical hell of your physical body. How can we liberate this physical hell and then the spiritual hell? Now Grandmother Hong and Heung Jin Nim are working together to liberate hell in the spiritual world. They mobilized the fallen Archangel Lucifer. Even Lucifer has repented and confessed and is now being used to work to liberate all those evil spirits in this physical world as well as the spiritual world. Satan had repented Moon said. And so it was only right that Moon forgive satan and welcome him back into the family of God. Isn't it comforting for you to know that Satan is actually your friend and co-worker now? In a transcript of a prayer found on a Unification News Website in Korea, Moon had a little more to say about Satan, and he said it in a prayer to God: Excerpted from: True Parent's Prayer You gave Satan a chance to indemnify the faults that he committed. He did not love humanity as God's children but rather stole them from God and turned them against Him. The time when God could command Satan to correct his wrongs and clean up the fallen lineage came when God gave him the ultimatum on March 21. Satan apologized to God and claimed he would support Him to create the ideal garden of love. He confessed all his sins before True Parents to be forgiven. He confessed and apologized all he had done wrong to humanity. Please, Heavenly Father, take pity on him as he is asking for forgiveness from You and True Parents. As we, True Parents, unify heaven and earth, we bring peace between God and Satan and establish unity between God, Satan and humanity. We combined that unity into one single lineage of God. Well, what can you say? Satan is even more than a friend now. In the words above, Moon has basically called him "family". Are you sure you members really want to stay in the Unification Church at this point? You Can Safely Follow Satan! ~Satan and Moon have not just recently met, by the way. Oh no. They have been in quite a long term relationship. In fact, Moon has had some pretty fascinating (and bizzare) things to say about Satan over the years. He told his early followers that they could safely follow Satan. That's right. He told them that as long as they were sincere in following Satan, that Satan would not be able to handle their sincerity and he would eventually bring them to God himself. So, follow Satan, and he will bring you to God. I wonder what some of Moon's paid Christian Ministers would think about this guidance from Moon? Probably they wouldn't care, as those participating with Moon, do so because they share the same God: Money. Here is an excerpt that comes from a book by one of Moon's earliest followers, Won Pil Kim: Excerpted from: Won Pil Kim Father's Course and our Life of Faith Chapter 3 - Mistakes I'd like to tell you another story. Already 30 or 40 years before Father went up to North Korea there were religious groups there which had been prepared to welcome the Second Advent. Father visited one of them. One day he said to them: "If you believe Satan's word completely and absolutely to the end as God's word and if you attend him, even Satan will take you to God." Suppose you believe, learn and practice Satan's word completely and actually you attend Satan, Satan won't take you to himself but to God. Do you understand clearly? I'll explain it, taking an example. Take one brother -- Mr. Tanahashi. Now here is another brother who believes in and attends Mr. Tanahashi very much. But this brother has a misunderstanding that Mr. Tanahashi is John. He has a firm conviction that he is attending John, even though he is actually attending Mr. Tanahashi. Then is Mr. Tanahashi happy or not? Satan knows why people are attending him: they mistake Satan for God and attend him just as earnestly as they attend God. They listen to Satan's words absolutely. Then Satan can't make them his own since they believe completely that they are attending God, not Satan. Therefore Satan thinks they should go to God, not to him; Satan leads them to God. Suppose we happen to believe and follow even Satan's word as God's word; as long as we believe and follow it completely, we'll be led to God not to Satan. Father had this much faith -- it's incredible, isn't it? It's not "incredible", it's disgusting. And stupid too. The Bible says that Satan is a liar and a murderer, but Sun Myung Moon knows better than the Bible, and he is convinced that though Satan lies and murders, Satan would never be able to handle sincerity, and would politely bring people to the real God. Actually, it is not all that surprising that Moon would be so close to Satan. They have alot in common. The name Lucifer (who became Satan) actually means "Light Bearer". And interestingly, Moon's name "Sun Myung Moon" means: "Shining Truth". But the Bible also shares that Lucifer (satan) is an angel that disguises himself as light, and appears as light, but that in actuality, he is a liar and deceiver. The Bible calls satan: "That Ancient Serpent", and "The Dragon". Similarly, Moon's name "Sun Myung Moon" (Shining Truth) is not the name he was born with. Moon changed his name when he decided to pretend to be the messiah. Moon's real name is: "Young Myung Moon" which means: SHINING DRAGON in Korean. Hmmm....no wonder Moon loves Satan so much?     STRANGE BUT TRUE - SECTION Moon & Houdini Moon's African Son? Moon's "Spiritual" Mistresses Moonie Science Satan Joins The Moonies Moon Marries Jesus, and Hitler and...   HOME

[Elsie]

I don't despise all Calvinists. Just you and your "merry" band. I>

I do not consider myself a 'C' person, but I feel that I am a merry person.

Do I get included, too?

[drstevej]

Praise to the MODS!

[Elsie]

Oops!

bi-une

[Corin Stormhands]

I don't despise all Calvinists. Just you and your "merry" band.

Hey, Rev, ksen and I aren't Calvinists. But could you find it in the warmth of your bosom to hate us anyway?

[Illbay]

I don't hate you.

I despise you.

Look it up.

[Corin Stormhands]

Oh well, that makes it allright then...

[Illbay]

Of course it's not all right. When you say and do despicable things, it is inevitable you will be despised.

[Alex Murphy]

When you say and do despicable things, it is inevitable you will be despised.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Regardless, I am glad that, if I am to be despised, that I am despised for my Savior and my Lord...

Psalm 22:6-8

6: But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7: All who see me sneer at me; They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8: "Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him."

1 Corinthians 1:26 - 28
26: For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;
27: but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,
28: and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,
28: so that no man may boast before God.

[Illbay]

I sincerely doubt that God has ever "chosen" anyone who attacked His Saints.

You might want to look elsewhere for your approval.

Try looking lower.

[Alex Murphy]

I sincerely doubt that God has ever "chosen" anyone who attacked His Saints. You might want to look elsewhere for your approval. Try looking lower.

As always, many thanks for the sincerity - and you were right! I looked lower, and found my approval!

1 Corinthians 4:3-5
3: But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself.
4: For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord.
5: Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

[restornu]

The council of these words in

1 Corinthians 4:3-5
3: But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself.

4: For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord.

5: Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

This is wisdom that all who harbor enmity towards those who worship the according to the dictate of their conscience should adheard too!

[Illbay]

If you're saying, in essence, "the Lord judge between me and thee," I'll take that, no problem.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Can you guys debate your faith and stand up under the beliefs of others that your faith is not true, if said debators do not use bad language and attacks without hitting the abuse button? I just asking because that is what you guys are accused of, I have never debated you guys before and am just wondering.

BigMack

[Illbay]

Speaking for myself, I never use bad language. I use "asterisks" and the "bashers" provide their own indignation.

Also, I don't really understand the point of "debating faith." Faith is faith; it is a personal thing that isn't readily debatable. You might as well debate the wisdom I showed in choosing my wife.

However, I have no problem personally with DISCUSSING what we believe, even comparing and contrasting. To me, a statement like "well, I understand you believe that, but I don't" is about as far as you need to go.

Most of us have SOMETHING to contribute to the spiritual understanding of others no matter what faith we profess. But this incessant need to "prove" to someone else that what he or she believes is incorrect is bizarre to me.

It says a lot more about the insecurity of those who are so obsessed, than anything else.

[restornu]

I think that 1 Corinthians 4:3-5 tells us how we should treat each other!

Why can't folks just live by this?

Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

So why be on a forum like this where you know these things are going to happen?

BigMack

[Illbay]

Because FR is not a Religious debate forum.

Jim Robinson continually reminds people of this fact, but many still don't get it.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Because FR is not a Religious debate forum.

This it the religious forum part of FR.

Nevermind I will leave you to talk with other mormons here.

BigMack

[Illbay]

I repeat: Talk to Jim Robinson. He has been pretty clear on this point.

I am not for a second implying that there should be NO religious debate. But a great many people here think that's ALL it should be about, and further, their concept of "debate" isn't even legitimate. It's all about "proving" that their side is superior (interestingly enough, using their own subjective criteria as it happens) and anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.

That's just not helpful. It's pointless.

And above all, I have made the point time after time, that there are PLENTY of places one can go to engage in rancorous debate on these issues. If FR was the only game in town I might understand, but it's not.

The RELIGION forum on FR was originally created to separate out religious news and discussion from political news, mainly because there were many people with not the slightest interest in religion, who bitterly complained that religion articles were cluttering up the place.

Yet as soon as it was created, some people took that as a cue that personal attacks, and attacks on religion were now sanctioned. Jim Robinson has hardly ever shown up on the politics forums to explain at length his views on how the debate on his forum should go, but he does from time to time appear here to do just that.

Yet too many people refuse to get it.

As far as what I, personally, believe, feel free to ask questions, I'll try to respond. Feel free to say "I don't understand how you can believe that because..." and I think that's perfectly legitimate.

But that isn't where these discussions invariably lead. Invariably, those who wish to "debate" me about my Church and my beliefs will post a bunch of material from dubious or even spurious sources, dare me to refute the material, then when I do, move on to yet another thread and start all over again.

That's why I am more convinced than ever of the pointlessness of rancorous "debate" on the subject of religion.

[Revelation 911]

Hey, Rev, ksen and I aren't Calvinists. But could you find it in the warmth of your bosom to hate us anyway?

Im still arminian - hang on lemme check - ......yep- (adjusting belt)