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To: snerkel
Respectfully, there are several on this forum who make Mormon bashing a career. And some who make Catholic bashing, Jew bashing, etc., etc., etc., a career. And it aint discussion. It's bashing. It's religious persecution. And whether or not the targets of this persecution are too sensitive to be on the net is not the point. I do not want it on my web site. Period. Keep it off. If you all leave, then that's the way it goes.




34 posted on 04/08/2003 12:15:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Respectfully, there are several on this forum who make Mormon bashing a career.

Is posting verifiable facts considered bashing?

And some who make Catholic bashing, Jew bashing, etc., etc., etc., a career.

True.

And it aint discussion. It's bashing.

That may be true, but when you set this forum up you said the rules would be loosened up over here. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

It's religious persecution. And whether or not the targets of this persecution are too sensitive to be on the net is not the point. I do not want it on my web site. Period. Keep it off.

Persecution? Don't you think that's a bit over the top?

Was it persecution to bring up Clinton's felonies? Was is persecution to bring up Democrat scandals? Was it persecution to bring up RINO backstabbing?

It's not persecution to discuss and challenge deeply held beliefs. I would submit that the Founders would have thought religious expression more important to protect than political expression.

People just being plain nasty shouldn't be tolerated, but I don't see very much of that on this forum.

If you all leave, then that's the way it goes.

Like they say, it is your living room.

39 posted on 04/08/2003 12:32:05 PM PDT by ksen (HHD,FRM)
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To: Jim Robinson
Respectfully, there are several on this forum who make Mormon bashing a career. And some who make Catholic bashing, Jew bashing, etc., etc., etc., a career. And it aint discussion. It's bashing. It's religious persecution. And whether or not the targets of this persecution are too sensitive to be on the net is not the point. I do not want it on my web site. Period. Keep it off. If you all leave, then that's the way it goes.

Ok, just a few facts. The posters on this forum, be they Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, Protestant (with it's variations), or the few Jewish posters, "ain't your average bear". These are articulate, informed persons who document their propositions, and intelligently present their arguments. Some of these guys are bloody tough!

The result is that all of us gain in dealing with them and each other. We learn to spot legitimate argument from "Bluster and B/S".

i say this as a preliminary for this comment intended as a respectful prod mano e mano...Cut the crap! It ain't playin in Peoria, we all have seen it before from other posters.

If somebody can document what they are saying, How is that bashing? If their documentation is bad, these people (all the above mentioned faiths), are more than capable of spotting and countering it, i've seen it happen, and i've had my butt kicked because my "facts" were not as factual as i thought they were. You didn't see me pressing the abuse button because of it.

If somebody is long on accusation and short on documentation, That is bashing, and "The Wrath of God" in the form of Jim Robinson and/or His mods should descend on the offender with both feet! We don't need that kind of person around...well and good.

You lost the argument when your people pulled a thread that had posts that were nothing more than the official public statements of a certain religious body posted without editorial comment.

This kind of nonsense hurts only your credibility. If you can't follow the logic on that, i am certain that there are a multitude of posters here that can talk you through it. Pick any one of them.

You want to get rid of the religion forum, fine, it's your bandwidth, but let me tell you this: i am not going to Pay for the privilege of being censured every time i type the word "Mormon" in a sentence. All of us work hard for our money (especially these days!), and have to be real discriminating about how and where we spend it. In the Three+ months i've been here i've seen a change from open, challenging discussion, to something like the Soviet Union must have been like under Stalin and Beria on this forum. i quit living in fear when i was 5, and ain't about to start again.

70 posted on 04/08/2003 1:13:26 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (Ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Posting information directly from Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Church or Christ or Mormon resources which specifically state their beliefs is not bashing nor should it be considered persecuting others.

As someone stated earlier, the posters here are, for the most part, not "fly by the seat of the pants" posters. They are well informed on the subjects they are discussing and back their statements with resources which originate from the source they are discussing. If this information is incorrect, it should be easy for a person to refute it without hitting the abuse button and crying that they are being personally attacked.

I agree that posts which contain defamatory, abusive, harassing, or hateful remarks towards a PERSON should be removed. Telling people that they are dense or stupid (two of Illbay's favorites) should be promptly removed. I also agree that obscene, indecent, or offensive language should be removed.
85 posted on 04/08/2003 1:30:49 PM PDT by snerkel (Choose Jesus, not some cheap imitation.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I appreciate your point of view.

Coincicdes with my point above about treating others the way one would like to be treated.
185 posted on 04/08/2003 4:51:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, you probably have defined what consist of bashing but I have not read it as of yet. I hope speaking the truth in love in order to help another out of a web of lies is not considered bashing. Isn't this what free speech is all about? Would you please define "bashing" for me as I would appreciate knowing. Thank you, Bellflower
248 posted on 04/09/2003 12:33:00 AM PDT by Bellflower
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes sir, that is correct. In fact, there are people here who contribute NOTHING to this forum except the bashing of their favorite religious targets.

If they offend the believers whom they denigrate, and if those believers choose to take exception, then what do they expect?
252 posted on 04/09/2003 5:05:28 AM PDT by Illbay
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