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Rabbi warns: Some Christians are attempting to convert Jews
PJ Star.Com (Journal Star) ^ | April 1, 2003 | Sarah Okeson

Posted on 04/07/2003 8:17:34 PM PDT by ComtedeMaistre

Rabbi warns: Some Christians are attempting to convert Jews

Speaker says congregations should watch out for Southern Baptists, Assemblies of God

April 1, 2003

By SARAH OKESON of the Journal Star

PEORIA - Jews believing in Jesus as savior, says Rabbi Michael Cook, makes about as much sense as an International Society of Vegetarians for Meat.

"How can you eat meat and still be a vegetarian?" Cook asked.

Cook, perhaps the only rabbi in the United States with a Ph.D. in the New Testament, talked to about 60 people Monday at the synagogue shared by the two Jewish congregations in Peoria.

Cook, a professor at the Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion in Cincinnati, said some Christian denominations have stepped up their efforts to convert Jews in the belief it will help bring about the second coming of Christ.

"They believe the only way that glorious end of the world can happen is if enough Jews move to Israel first or accept Jesus," Cook said.

He predicted Jews have about three more decades of strenuous conversion efforts to suffer through because the last time this happened - after the first millennium - efforts to convert Jews didn’t die out until 1035.

"We have 32 years of missionary fervor to get through," Cook said.

In the meantime, Cook ran through a list of believers to watch out for including Southern Baptists, Assemblies of God, Jews for Jesus and Messianic Jews.

He said Southern Baptist and Assemblies of God are sometimes misleading in their efforts to convert Jews and that Jews for Jesus was founded by a Baptist minister.

"Their big desire is to convert Jews without Jews knowing they are leaving the Jewish fold," Cook said of Jews for Jesus.

The rabbi said Catholics and liberal Protestants stopped trying to convert Jews after the Holocaust and said Jews had a convenant with God and didn’t need to worry about being saved.


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To: Illbay
Acceptance by faith in Christ's Blood etc. is quite different from earning godship by following all the Mormon dictrines and practices and wearing the right underwear.
121 posted on 04/07/2003 9:40:51 PM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: Illbay
Funny, Mormons insist on a Burning of the Bosom when presenting your message. So is feeling only a bad thing for Christians to have but acceptable for your group?
122 posted on 04/07/2003 9:40:58 PM PDT by CARepubGal (I am an FR Meteorologist)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
}The 144K are representative of the saved Jews

Only 3 of those tribes named eventually were called Jews. The others were never called Jews but received the same promises.

123 posted on 04/07/2003 9:41:11 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: Illbay
Satan used to be an obedient angelic being, until he disobeyed and fell from grace.
124 posted on 04/07/2003 9:41:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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To: power2
Heart-felt, to me,

is QUITE BEYOND feelings though it includes feelings.

WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH, not feelings.

BUT PRAISE GOD FOR THE FEELINGS.

Heart-felt means, to me a deep heart-conviction lived out at more or less every opportunity.
125 posted on 04/07/2003 9:42:12 PM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: Waywardson
Ping!
126 posted on 04/07/2003 9:42:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Quix
Psst. It's Hanes. Don't let anyone tell you it's Fruit of the Loom.
127 posted on 04/07/2003 9:42:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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Some say the Jew is not saved unless he/she finds Christ.

If one studies Torah...really studies...learns the true Hebrew root meaning to the word conveyance alligned to Shabbat[Sabbath]...the relationship and promisary fullfillment on the Creators part with those who understand...partake and glory in it.

Those who understand Sabbath...understand that it is not just one day a week...but everyday.
Its the delight of drawing near with expectation....with expectation of meeting Him who lives forever...who has breathed the "Ruach Ha Kodesh"....the Holy Spirit ....His devine presence into us that partake of Shabbat.

For the Hebrew servant who rises each day.....the prayer goes forth in the Kaddish Shalem....for the sanctification of the day.
Which is an appeal and a confirmatory declaration..that between the morning ..the night..and the next days sun is all life..which is a gift to man..whose origin is not of this world.

Concerning Shabbat and all who enter in.....the Lord reply's to the one standing before him,
"Ki bayom haze y'chaper aleichem"......
"For on that day....you shall be forgiven of all your sins"

Those who wish to tell Jews about sin and salvation should know that those who follow Torah clearly understand Salvation...the gift of the Holy Spirit...and a very sure sense that they are personaly loved by the Lord.

EiN SoF.....Light without end

128 posted on 04/07/2003 9:43:08 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: FITZ
Catholics

Yes, there are those vile idiots that insist that Catholics are not Christians.

129 posted on 04/07/2003 9:43:10 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
This Jew - me - says that this Rabbi should just mellow out. If Jews want to convert to Christianity, and they're not being coerced into doing so, it's okay with me.

Now, if any Jews even consider converting to Islam, then I recommend institutionalizing the nutballs. ;-)

130 posted on 04/07/2003 9:43:37 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: power2
I'm much more wary of folks WITHOUT EVIDENT FEELINGS in any obvious or easily discernable degree or way

than I am with people who seem to have an excess of feelings.

The former are much, much, MUCH closer to sociopaths.

BESIDES, AS I'VE NOTED--I suspect I could find hyper emotionalism in virtually any group--it just depends on how one defines it and what the issues and modes of expression are.

It is HUMAN to have emotions--even strong ones. It's more of a hazardous aberration to be without them--certainly psychologically--but also in my experience sociologically and philosophically.

131 posted on 04/07/2003 9:44:40 PM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Satan used to be an obedient angelic being, until he disobeyed and fell from grace.

See, that's what my "emotional", "sectarian" viewpoint was, too.

Heck, I think I even remember that Satan was cast out for...well, wanting to be God. I can't think of any religion that says we'll all become gods...

Oh, wait. I guess I do know of one.

132 posted on 04/07/2003 9:44:45 PM PDT by Gurn
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To: Gurn; Revelation 911
Hello Brother! :-)
133 posted on 04/07/2003 9:45:22 PM PDT by CARepubGal (I am an FR Meteorologist)
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To: JmyBryan
Yeah like http://www.mjaa.org/StatementOfFaith.html

Wow, what an awesome site (sight)! Thanks for the link.
134 posted on 04/07/2003 9:46:39 PM PDT by tang-soo
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The 144,000 in the book of Revelations is probably, like much of what John recorded from that vision, symbolic.

12 is a perfect number; 12 times 12 is perfection by perfection; 1000 is analogous with eternity. So 12 times 12 times 1000 is perfection through all time.

John was seeing that a perfect number of people of the first covenant would be saved and set apart for all time. As John was a Jew, as were all but one writer of the New Testament, he was happy to see that his own people would be included in the plan of salvation; that Jews would come to know their Messiah and not reject him as they had the prophets.

135 posted on 04/07/2003 9:47:48 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: EternalVigilance
}Doctor Luke was a Gentile.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wern't most of the apostles Benjamites? I think only Judas was from the tribe of Judah.

While Benjamites joined with Levites to create the Southern Kingdom eventually named Judea, and after that place received the nickname "Jew", the Benjamites were never really friendly with the Judahites. (Neither were the other 10 tribes). After Jesus death I think the Benjamites pretty much went their own way.

136 posted on 04/07/2003 9:49:12 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: Illbay
Michael, the Archangel, was the man Adam. Gabriel was Noah in mortality.

And I'm a saguaro cactus.

137 posted on 04/07/2003 9:50:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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To: DensaMensa
Off the top of my head, I would think James (Christ's brother, not the other son of Zebedee) would be a "Judah-ite", in that his father, Joseph, was of the House of Judah.
138 posted on 04/07/2003 9:51:04 PM PDT by Gurn
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To: HiTech RedNeck
LOL!

I thought it might be Mariott!
139 posted on 04/07/2003 9:51:22 PM PDT by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
12 is a perfect number

Please explain.

140 posted on 04/07/2003 9:52:00 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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